I rarely shoot factory loads in CF rifles, but I bought a box of the 165g Deer Thugs in 308 Win for the heck of it to see how they shot in a new rifle. I also was low on brass and it was twds the beginning of the panic and hard to find any. Not impressed, I shot 4 groups with it that ranged 1.5-2.25" at 100 for 5. Same rig shoots much better with handloads. I don't think it's the same as blue box loads, it's some kind of bonded/plated pill like a Fusion or Deep Curl. YMMV

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