I shoot a Savage that's made for smokeless. While the smokeless really works well, 2,400 to 2,500 fps with 300 grain bullets I found that most states do not allow smokeless powder for muzzle loader season. Mine shoots a 4 inch group @ 300yds with smokeless but had to learn to shoot Blackhorn 209. It shoot's 200-300 fps less and 6"-7" group @ 300. I've harvested many trophies 200 yds plus with that little cannon. To bad Savage quite making them.