You have to personally witness what a 53 grain bullet made from a rimfire jacket will do to a crow when fired from a .223. I have a picture around somewhere that shows a head, foot, and one wing. Totally awesome!
I used to compete in Highpower Matches using heavy 77 grain .223 bullets before Sierra came out with the 80 grain MK and sometimes placed in the money.
I've also swaged lead bullets to be paper patched for my .45/70 and killed elk and deer with them. I enjoy being somewhat independent.:-)


Shew me thy ways, O LORD: teach me thy paths.
"there are few better cartridges on Earth than the 7 x 57mm Mauser"
"the .30 Springfield is light, accurate, penetrating, and has surprising stopping power"