well, if one has a Glock or a 1911 handy:

http://www.mechtechsys.com/index.php

around 5lbs less optics & accessories. Calibers up to 10mm auto. Takes Glock or 1911 mags, depending on model.

YMMV, 'cuz I don't know if they actually work, or not. I can vouch that the Kel-Tec Sub2000's are not so hot.


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