I agree with Hillbilly on the Elites. Here in leupold land it is not real often they get much positive attention but I've found them to be solid glass for the money. I've got several pre-64 Winchesters and one thing I particularly like about them is the occular has slightly less diameter than the standard Leupolds and allows me to use a little lower ring/base combo. Bolt clearance has been a bigger issue than bbl./obj clearance. Except for 2 to 2 1/2 ozs. more weight, I don't feel like I'm giving up anything using the Elites over my VX2s.
John
