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Key question in the article, and the trailing clause in it I presume to mean that the gun would be to defend the people from domestic threats, not foreign. An interesting question..

Knowing what we do now, noting the likely course the UK and its people seem determined to chart for themselves, if a similar plea for help went out today, would you send a gun to defend a British home – if you knew it couldn’t be traced back to you?

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...you-send-a-gun-to-defend-a-british-home/

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Four police officers who were flagged down by a store manager as his colleague detained a thief,” telegraph.co.uk reports. “[They] allegedly said they were ‘not kitted up to help’ and drove away.” So much for fighting crime in the Piers Morgan “gun-free” paradise commonly known as the United Kingdom. A country whose subjects are barred from possessing adequate means of defense and punished when they attempt to defend themselves (e.g., farmer Tony Martin’s ongoing ordeal). Where those paid to respond to crime seem to have more urgent priorities . . .

This latest in a seemingly unending list of examples of national suicide across the Pond recalls a question inspired by an old GUNS Magazine article from the December 1959 issue, “Guns in our bundles for Britain,” by William B. Edwards.

“We shall fight them on the beaches, we shall fight them on the landing grounds, we shall fight them in the fields and the streets, we shall fight them in the hills. We shall never surrendah!” Edwards reminds us, quoting Winston Churchill during Britain’s darkest days. But that’s not the whole story . . .

“As the broadcast was momentarily interrupted by applause, Winston Churchill turned sadly and angrily away from the mike and said: ‘But I do not know what we shall fight them with,’” Edwards related.

We learn about the American Committee for Defense of British Homes, headquartered in New York City, that set about the task of appealing to Americans to “Send a gun to defend a British home.” We learn of the thousands of firearms the effort succeeded in collecting and shipping. And we learn how the possession of small arms led Bert “Yank” Levy, a “specialist in guerrilla and irregular fighting,” to “express…the belief that Home Guard defense was why ‘Britain can no longer successfully be invaded.'”

“Wherever the enemy may land, he will immediately be confronted by a nucleus of men born and bred in the district, knowing every foot of topography, fighting from every city, town village and hamlet, from every ditch, copse, wood, hill, and valley,” Levy declared. “The importance of the Home Guard idea in world politics is vast. For instance, this approach to war is proof that where a government trusts its people, its people trust and protect their government. ”

Does that remind you of anything?

Sadly, outrageously, we learn that when the danger had passed, government trust in the people went away, guns were destroyed and the people for the most part, obeyed in the “cleansing of firearms.” Thus we find ourselves in today’s sorry state of affairs. Which leads me to a question for TTAG’s readership.

Knowing what we do now, noting the likely course the UK and its people seem determined to chart for themselves, if a similar plea for help went out today, would you send a gun to defend a British home – if you knew it couldn’t be traced back to you?


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In 1940 yes, today no way.

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No. To paraphrase Jefferson, the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of innocents and muslims.


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Send a bunch of flaming liberals my guns, after they banned guns?

No thanks.





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Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
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Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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If I remember right the guns sent to Britain by Americans were supposed to be returned to their owners after the war. The Brits instead rounded them up and dumped them in the ocean.

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Originally Posted by Crow hunter
If I remember right the guns sent to Britain by Americans were supposed to be returned to their owners after the war. The Brits instead rounded them up and dumped them in the ocean.


You dont remember TOO right, lots of guns returned, I have one.

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If I remember right the guns sent to Britain by Americans were supposed to be returned to their owners after the war. The Brits instead rounded them up and dumped them in the ocean.


You dont remember TOO right, lots of guns returned, I have one.


Not too long ago, the American Rifleman ran an article about a former Camp Perry winner's target rifle that was donated to Britain by its owner and later sent back.

Of course, it helped that the stock included a plaque explaining what it was and asking for its return.

I do not doubt that many other such donated guns stayed in England and years later were rounded up and destroyed.

The English laws are extreme, all right. Remember that SAS guy whose buds packed up a pistol and shipped it back with his belongings? He was facing jail, even though it was not clear that he even knew he had it.


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No, and if the poms want weapons they can ambush their cops and other armed government employees and take theirs.


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Use my own thanks! :-)

BTW, Who am I defending it from? I stopped being afraid of the boggieman along time ago, and we don't tend to have the same issues with black helicopters, Jade Helm, or bigfoots...


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No Pete, but you do have the same issues we have here, namely halfwits in charge giving everything away to blow-ins from miserable countries.


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Originally Posted by deflave
Send a bunch of flaming liberals my guns, after they banned guns?

No thanks.





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Exactly! They got themselves into this mess-they can get themselves out.


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The Brits have worked long and diligently to reduce themselves to helpless gerbils. Leave them to the predators.

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Originally Posted by Pete E


BTW, Who am I defending it from? I stopped being afraid of the boggieman along time ago,



I don't know about you foreigners, but we used ours to kick the living schit out of a group of tyrannical fugkwads. More than once.





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Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
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Originally Posted by Pete E
Use my own thanks! :-)

BTW, Who am I defending it from? I stopped being afraid of the boggieman along time ago, and we don't tend to have the same issues with black helicopters, Jade Helm, or bigfoots...



So you never have home invasions? There are no predators are deranged individuals in your fair land?

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Ex-Beatle shouted 'Hare Krishna' to distract psychotic intruder from trying to murder him and his wife, court is told
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Former Beatle George Harrison thought he had been fatally wounded by a psychotic intruder who believed he was on a mission from God to kill the pop star, an Oxford court heard yesterday.
The jury was told how Harrison and his wife Olivia fought with Michael Abrams who was armed with a knife and part of a stone sword broken from a statue of St George and the Dragon at the couple's Oxfordshire mansion.

In a statement read to the court, Harrison described tasting blood in his mouth as he lay on his back upstairs in his home, and hearing his lung deflate when Abrams plunged the knife into his chest. "There was a time during this violent struggle that I truly believed I was dying," he said.

He said he chanted "Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna" at the man, in a vain effort to distract him.

Oxford crown court heard that three psychiatrists who have examined Abrams concluded that he intended to kill Harri son because he believed the star had possessed him. But they also decided that he did not realise he was doing wrong because of these "delusional" beliefs.

There was no dispute, the prosecution said, that Abrams, who is from Liverpool, carried out the attack on December 30 last year. But it was up to the jury to decide if his plea that he was not guilty of attempting to kill Harrison and his wife "by reason of insanity" should be accepted. According to the prosecution, the defendant believed God had sent him on the murder mission.

Abrams, 34, who wore a pinstriped suit in court, showed no emotion as a vivid statement which Harrison gave to police after the attack was read out in court.

Harrison, 57, said that he had locked up and joined his wife in bed at around 2.10am. He had spent the previous evening visiting his brother and had watched a film at his mansion at Henley-on-Thames, which is surrounded by a high security fence.

At about 3.20am Olivia Harrison awakened her husband to say she had heard smashing glass. Her first thought was that a chandelier had fallen but she soon realised that someone must be in the house. Harrison said in his police statement that he put a jacket over his pyjamas and slipped on a pair of boots.

While Mrs Harrison phoned staff and the police he went down to the kitchen and found a window broken. Lying nearby was a stone wing which Harrison recognised from the statute of St George.

He smelled cigarette smoke and shouted to his wife that someone was in the house. He went back upstairs but then came back out on to a gallery that overlooks the ground floor. Glancing down, he saw an intruder in the main hall.

Harrison said: "He stopped in the centre of the room and looked towards me. He started shouting and screaming." The man was yelling: "You get down here." Harrison asked who he was. The man replied: "You know, get down here."

Harrison spotted the knife and the stone sword; a "personal memory" of another incident - which he did not specify - flashed through his mind. He said: "I made the decision to shout back at him to distract him. I looked down and shouted Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna."

The tactic did not work and the intruder advanced up the stairs. Knowing that his wife and mother-in-law were in the house Harrison decided to fight back. Armed only with the "element of surprise" he lunged at Abrams.

"My first instinct was to grab for the knife," Harrison said.

"We fell to the floor," he continued. "I was fending off blows with my hands. He was on top of me and stabbing down at my upper body."

Mrs Harrison came out and began hitting Abrams with a small brass poker. The intruder chased her and grabbed her by the throat.

Harrison said he staggered after his wife and Abrams, and at one point the three of them fell into a "meditation area" with cushions scattered on the floor.

Harrison said: "I felt exhausted and could feel the strength draining from me. I vividly remember a deliberate thrust to my chest. I could hear my lung exhaling and had blood in my mouth. I believed I had been fatally stabbed." The wound, one of five, caused the lung to collapse and left Harrison with breathing difficulties. His wife suffered head cuts and bruises.

Giving evidence from the witness box Mrs Harrison, 54, said: "There was blood on the walls and on the carpet. There was a moment when I realised we were going to be murdered - I realised that this man was succeeding."

Watched by the couple's son Dhani, 22, Mrs Harrison told how she grabbed a heavy table lamp and began swinging it at Abrams, who gripped the cord of the lamp and began pulling it towards him. Mrs Harrison threw the lamp at him and ran downstairs to find the police had arrived.

A police officer said that as Abrams was taken away he said: "You should have heard the spooky things he was saying, the bastard."

Prosecuting, Simon Mayo said the case was unusual. There was no dispute about what had happened but the trial was focusing on the defendant's mental condition. The trial continues.

Attacker believed he was on God's mission

Michael Abrams was described by Olivia Harrison as being "crazed and frenzied" on the night of the attack, writes Steven Morris . His hair was long, "straw-like" and unkempt, and he wore a black leather jacket. She was struck by his eyes which were "wild and staring". Throughout the attack he did not say a word - which she described as "odd".

After Abrams was arrested a police doctor examined him and concluded immediately that he was likely to be suffering from a psychotic condition and could be a paranoid schizophrenic.

The court was told that Abrams believed he was being possessed by George Harrison and had been sent on a mission by God to kill him.

Three psychiatrists were unanimous in their conclusion that he had a "complex delusional system".

He had travelled from his home in Liverpool on occasions prior to the attack and had asked local people about Harrison. On the night of the assault he was found with a cord some 100cm (40in) long on him.

Simon Mayo, prosecuting, said there was no dispute about Abrams' mental state but English law demanded that a jury makes findings on "issues of in sanity". He said that the jury may be directed to find not guilty verdicts "by reason of insanity".

Abrams, the court was told, has since expressed "considerable remorse" at his actions. He realised now how terrified the Harrisons must have been and had told doctors that he wanted to apologise to them.

In the dock Abrams looked very different to the figure who had confronted the pop star and his wife on that night.

His blond hair was cut short and he wore a smart black pinstripe suit, white shirt, pink tie and round spectacles.


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Haell nooo, Not unless they are willing show enough initiative with clubs and/or knives to even stand up for their own basic liberties. If they ain't got the balls to do that they have no use for guns.

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I'd send Birdwatcher, he could bore them to death.


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That was WWII and since they have all been destroyed, I would not do it today. Let them buy them or do without!


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What T said. In spades.


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I won't be sending any guns or Ammo.

Everything I have stored along with millions of other Americans is going to get put to good use in the near future.



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Don't even go there the average Brit lacks not only the ability to use a firearm , but the will to do so. Let them don their Bowler hats and have at the intruders with umbrellas.


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