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That's exactly what it means.
Matter of fact....in some area's the vehicle's owner is actually liable for damages.
When I worked on some company housing for the copper mine in BagDad AZ back in the 70's all the local's joked that the area "ranchers" made ten times the value of a scraggly old range cow when one got hit by a truck belonging to the contractor that hauled the concentrate than they ever could have at auction.
Seems every cow they owned was a prize breeder....including the steers. open range means exactly that, you hit one, you pay for it. you don't want to be hitting one of those cows, they do leave dents. And i am muy familar with those windy roads leading into and out of bagdad, and the concentrate trucks. Open range is open range, even in this day not everything is fenced, God bless.
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You learn to slow down really quick and the free range areas are usually very well marked. Usually.
Worst I've ever seen was AZ on their reservations. Holy fugking schit.
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You learn to slow down really quick and the free range areas are usually very well marked. Usually.
Worst I've ever seen was AZ on their reservations. Holy fugking schit.
Dave i was gonna ad about the rez land in northern arizona. You can see a lot of fenced land, and horses grazing outside the fence along the freeway right of way. Rez indians don't take real good care of any animal, and i have seen many times horses with their ribs showing trying to get a bite of grass. I would not want to hit an animal up there and end up in the tribal court system. They don't like white people having guns on the rez either. Which means being darn careful if you pull off the freeway for any reason, make sure you stay on the right of way.
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Pile into a black cow, at night, and be stuck for damages! That'd suck.
I'd be keeping my mouth shut and splitting a side of beef with the tow truck driver. Reminds me of an interesting incident here. Few years back, we moved some pairs down the road to our other place. I noticed a calf seemed a little sore. A guy shows up later that day or maybe the next day asking where the cattle that had been in that pasture were and who's they were. I said they were moved out and didn't tell him they were mine because I had a suspicion something wasn't right. Seems he and a buddy hit a calf in the middle of the night and damaged his truck. He wanted to be paid for damages. Now our area right here is not open-range and I was pretty sure he had hit a calf of mine. But, when the pieces were added up, things were amiss. Reality is/was, he had been drunk the night he hit the calf and didn't want to deal with the cops at that time. But, he wanted to come back after the incident and have me pay for it. No luck there. I told him to pack sand. Couple weeks later, same guys rolled the same pickup after closing time. Seems like a gal was injured and they left her and took off afoot after the accident. Confirmed what I thought of the guy.
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You learn to slow down really quick and the free range areas are usually very well marked. Usually.
Worst I've ever seen was AZ on their reservations. Holy fugking schit.
Dave i was gonna ad about the rez land in northern arizona. You can see a lot of fenced land, and horses grazing outside the fence along the freeway right of way. Rez indians don't take real good care of any animal, and i have seen many times horses with their ribs showing trying to get a bite of grass. I would not want to hit an animal up there and end up in the tribal court system. They don't like white people having guns on the rez either. Which means being darn careful if you pull off the freeway for any reason, make sure you stay on the right of way. And if a drunk Indian hits you on the rez, you have about zero recourse.
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Yes, it was open range. Yes, an 1800lb bull will leave a LARGE dent in a Subaru, enough that they airlifted the car's 2 occupants to Boise. I've heard that they're hurt pretty bad. They'll likely get the bill for the bull in addition to their other problems. That's what liability insurance is for.
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It probably went like this: "What, you aren't shooting my prize bull". "Sir, your bull is attacking people and is dangerous, we are going to have to put him down". As he raises his rifle to the deputies, "Over my dead body" and they obliged him. That's a lot of speculation. I've lived in cattle country almost all my life and have put animals down myself. I can't imagine very many ranchers thinking twice about putting a "prize bull" down that was hurting folks. He'd have to be quite the [bleep]. And to do a little speculating of my own, his wife probably wouldn't be surprised into a heart attack if the old clown showed up dead and he'd been that much of an [bleep]. She'd more than likely fall over and break a hip from dancing a jig that the [bleep] was dead. At this point, there's just no telling what happened. Maybe it was all accidental. I can't imagine too many rural Idahoans getting crazy at the sight of a gun-LE included. I'm amazed that all these folks who live in cattle country don't know that most ranchers are insured for loss of animals on open range to vehicle collision. I've handled many such claims over the years, probably over a hundred, and in every instance the scrawny dead animal was the rancher's prize bull or best calf producing heifer. They get paid well for the animal loss in most instances. Also, in many States livestock on open range have the right of way on roads and highways. I'm wondering whether the rancher surprised the cops on scene by shooting the injured bull, and they instinctively responded to the shot?? As many have stated, it's a sad situation for all involved. I found this, from 8 hours ago from USA Today " Deputies were getting ready to put the animal down when the bull's owner, 62-year-old Jack Yantis, arrived on the scene with a rifle.Zollman said there was an altercation and Yantis and both deputies fired their weapons. Authorities are interviewing witnesses and checking for any video or audio recordings that were captured during the incident, according to Zollman. Idaho State Police are handling the investigation."[u][/u]
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That's exactly what it means.
Matter of fact....in some area's the vehicle's owner is actually liable for damages.
When I worked on some company housing for the copper mine in BagDad AZ back in the 70's all the local's joked that the area "ranchers" made ten times the value of a scraggly old range cow when one got hit by a truck belonging to the contractor that hauled the concentrate than they ever could have at auction.
Seems every cow they owned was a prize breeder....including the steers. open range means exactly that, you hit one, you pay for it. you don't want to be hitting one of those cows, they do leave dents. And i am muy familar with those windy roads leading into and out of bagdad, and the concentrate trucks. Open range is open range, even in this day not everything is fenced, God bless. Yea....I figured you knew that country. I got to drinking with a couple of those truck drivers one night over in Yarnell....don't know if it's true or not but they swore that a couple of those "ranchers" never sold a single cow at auction...said they just branded em and turned em loose next to the road. I know one thing though...there was "almost" as many dead cows on the road as there were dead skunks...and if you know that road, you know you can't drive a mile without hitting a skunk.
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[They don't like white people having guns on the rez either. You'd think they would have learned a lesson......
Paul
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I like these anti cop threads/remarks.
Mainly because i know the posters have never walked the walk.
And had to fill the shoes.
and edited to say they didn't have the nads to fill the shoes. You forgot to add they wouldn't pass the psych evals.
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Considering who does pass the psych evals and what they do/become I don't think that is an honest representation of the effectiveness of "psych evals". In other words your "slam"=fail.
Having worked with and for police for a number of years and having passed their psych evals I have the unique perspective of knowing what I'm talking about.
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Pile into a black cow, at night, and be stuck for damages! That'd suck.
I'd be keeping my mouth shut and splitting a side of beef with the tow truck driver. If you survived it. Did you miss the part about the car occupants being flown to a trauma center?
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If you live in Idaho you should be aware of open range laws. Here is the link from the Idaho statutes.
Idaho Statutes
TITLE 25
ANIMALS
CHAPTER 21
ANIMALS RUNNING AT LARGE
25-2118. ANIMALS ON OPEN RANGE -- NO DUTY TO KEEP FROM HIGHWAY. No person owning, or controlling the possession of, any domestic animal running on open range, shall have the duty to keep such animal off any highway on such range, and shall not be liable for damage to any vehicle or for injury to any person riding therein, caused by a collision between the vehicle and the animal. "Open range" means all uninclosed lands outside of cities, villages and herd districts, upon which cattle by custom, license, lease, or permit, are grazed or permitted to roam.
History:
[25-2118, added 1961, ch. 249, sec. 1, p. 415.]
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It you hit an animal in open range in Oregon you are buying it.
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Interesting account off of facebook... More information, a facebook post by an eyewitness...
Appears to me trigger happy rookies really screwed up.
βJack, Donna and Rowdy, Donnaβs nephew, showed up to take care of their bull. Jack was bent down and a second from shooting the bull when a cop grabbed him from the back and spun him around. He shot Jack in the stomach and the other cop shot him 4 times in the chest. The cops were standing behind Jack.
Donna and Rowdy rushed down to Jack and the cops threw them face down on the ground and had guns to their head. Between what happened to her husband and the rough treatment, she had a massive heart attack. She was life flighted to Boise. She had another last night.
This story came from Jackβs nephew and it was told to him by Rowdy. The sheriff wanted Rowdy to change his account. The bull (becoming aggressive) seems key to the story but it wasnβt even in the account I heard from Jackβs nephew. There was crew trying to get the people out of the car that hit the bull. This sounds like a big coverup to me (the news account). I just canβt understand how those cops could have done that. We seem to get the ex military rambos around here. Iβve heard plenty about these deputies being difficult. I donβt know how Donna is doing. I hate to bother the family. I am pretty close to her and Iβm so worried she isnβt going to make it.(This is a post on FB)β
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Not if it's open range, no. The person who hit the livestock is responsible for damages. BUT...if the animal escaped private land from a private fence the livestock owner is responsible. Now you know why rural NV is called the "cow-counties".  In rural western states there is a lot of fenced private ground/farms in open range districts. That does not matter, it is still open range. The area around Council where this accident occurred, bordering Hiway 95 is all private fenced property. Most ranchers do not like the thought of folks getting killed because a black cow got out on the hiway at night. They like the thought of injured people a lot less than they like the thought of losing cattle. That said, sometimes cows will jump any reasonable fence. All that is needed for a bull to jump a five foot barb wire fence is for him to smell a hot cow on the other side. Just this week we had to separate the neighbors black angus bull from my small herd of longhorns. I had a heifer in heat....and a fence five feet high composed of two tightly stretched barb wires over woven wire fencing just does not stand a chance when an 1800 pound bull comes down on top of it. Sometimes in very rural areas you see warning signs that you are in open range. I have never seen such a sign in Payette Co where I live. But the vast majority of the county is open range. I loaned a horse to some young girls so they could go for a ride about twenty years ago. The horse managed to get untied in their yard and trotted out onto the hiway where he was hit by a car. Fortunately the driver was not injured. But damn, I hated putting a bullet into that fine little cow pony. And the drivers liability ins cut a check for the value of the horse. While it sounds like a very plausible scenario. I kind of doubt the origins of the statement concerning the rancher trying to interfere with the deputies shooting his bull. Adams Co Sheriff's Dept is certainly not talking with ISP conducting an investigation of the incident. And if there were any witnesses other than the deputies involved, I have not seen where the news media has gotten a word out of them. News media specifically stated that the rancher's wife had a heart attack after hearing of her husband's death. Concerning the account credited to face book. Outraged family members would have flocked to local media outlets It would be on the front page of every tabloid in the state as well as the feature story on every news channel through the northwest.
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That sounds closer to the truth. The rancher was going to take care of what tweedle Dee and tweedle dumb couldn't/didn't and the 2 sh.itsticks took that as an affront to their manhood.
That's my condensed wag.
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Idaho shooter- I'd read earlier that there were quite a few witnesses as the road was closed for quite some time. They also had a number posted to call even if the actual shooting wasn't witnessed
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Epstein didn't kill himself.
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Sure seems like cops are killing a lot more people than say 10-20 years ago. What up with that? Stupid people, or ordinarily smart people acting stupid when having encounters with police have a strong likelyhood of getting killed. Solution, dont be stupid, however, if you are, be gently stupid.
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