Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Idaho rancher killed by deputies over a wounded bull.

I would, but on advice of council I am exercising my 5th amendment rights against self incrimination.

Not sure exactly you call home but in this part of the world showing up without a gun would be unusual. I carry one all day every day in the states I can do so legally. I had a rifle with me 99% of the time I lived in Central Oregon.

If yes, then...

If no, then...


Really bud? I'm engaging you because I like you, but please.

Everybody likes me. Why would you be any different?

Are the police in your area a problem for you?




Dave

I don't think carrying the gun was the problem, I think it was when he deployed, brandished it, and fired it, that things went bad.


Where you live, if you show up at an accident scene where the police are on scene, and you deploy your firearm of choice, while interfering with rescue operations, what do you think might happen?

So the police call him to the scene then shoot him when he arrives ready to defend his property? I hate to, but I could agree with Steelhead on this one. Why call him there at all?

I've never seen an accident involving livestock that didn't involve the owner of the livestock being notified as quickly as possible. Especially if there is a downed fence.




Dave

I guess we don't know whose decision it was to call him, whether the deputies on scene, or the dispatcher.

I guess we don't know if it was a fluid situation. Possibly initially it looked like the bull could be contained, and they summoned him to the scene to do so, and then the bull became more of a problem.

Bottom line is it seems that he placed the value of the bull above the lives of the others involved in the accident, the first responders, the other traffic that the bull was charging, and ultimately above his own life.

Two good cow dogs....could move most bulls outta range....even for the sharpshooters with badges before one could choke down the first doughnut.

I'm curious why the rancher's friend claims there were problems between the locals and the cops for quite a while. What's the history?

Guess if he would have brought a couple of good dogs instead of his wife, nephew and rifle, things would have turned out different.

I musta cain't read so good...

Because in those links with information about open range laws I do not see any mention of liability falling on the driver. It just states that the animals owner shall not be held liable. Seems like liability is determined in court, but hell, what do I know...

Having been on location at more than a couple accidents involving livestock, I can state it typically goes something like this:

"EMS is en-route."

"Traffic stopped both ways?"

"Yeah."

"Whose fugkin' cow?"

"So-n-so."

"He been notified?"

"They're calling now."

"Whose fence?"

"So-n-so."

"Looks like he's gettin' a new fence. You call him?"

"Yeah. We got ahold of his foreman."

"There more fugkin' cows in that pasture?"

"Fugk I hope not."



Dave

I have 4 good cow dogs, tough sons of bitches. A bull that is hurt and mad will stand and fight, pretty sure my dogs couldn't move him unless they ate him and went off the road to [bleep].

Why are you hung up on the fact that he brought a gun?

Maybe the police are a problem for them in that area.




Dave

I figure heelers could, headers not so much. miles

Mss I gotta say it could be true what you say. But if it is that hurt and standing it's ground why are there reports of it charging? I have found if the dogs can get em to spin, and then bite em in the nose then heel em the majority of em will break loose and run Bellering the whole way. Bird shot also helps.

I thought only blacks had problems with the police and they earned it so it's ok? And white guys are supposed to support cops because it's just right and all.


I'm having trouble tracking all this. Maybe I smoke too much dope.

I don't care that he brought a gun. I don't care if anyone carries a gun. I carry a gun.

I just don't whip it out without reason. I sure as heck don't whip it out around other armed persons who may not be sure of my intentions, whether they are cops or anyone else.

The fact that he brought a gun, if he had left it in the truck wouldn't have been a factor.

Gotta wonder why he chose to deploy it. Most likely scenario was to make his point that he thought the bull shouldn't be put down.