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The Hammonds set at least one fire in "Red Flag" conditions. That could have killed someone.
Charges and prosecution should not stem from 'could have'.
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time.
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OK, it hit the fan this evening on a tight strecth of highway about 15 miles north of Burns and near the USFS Idlewild Campground. A couple shot, 1 dead, and a few arrested. Local hospital going on lockdown was the first indication.
Never post ones meeting and travel schedules on the web if the authorities are after you.
Hope they confine and starve out the remaining hold outs on the Refuge. Don't want them coming to town to seek revenge.
Have a good one,
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Sounds like the remaining Refuge holdouts are confined to base. Local news reports they may leave, but will be shaken down as they exit.
I suspect and hope though that some ringleaders will be arrested, charged, and jailed without bond. Their message via social media is an army of thousands is converging, and will rally to save the day.
Not over yet until they've left, but I suspect it will be a long time until local fears of retribution subside. Could be a generation or more before the wounds and feelings heal in our community. I suspect some long term economic impact as well due to the recently formed outside perceptions of the region.
Have a good one,
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I know one of the adopted sons of the man that was killed. He's currently serving in the Army in HI. The FBI has questioned him.
It is being said that his father, the man killed, had his hands up and declaring that he was there to support the protest group, that is when he was shot in the head and hand.
Who really knows, yet.....
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Sounds like the remaining Refuge holdouts are confined to base. Local news reports they may leave, but will be shaken down as they exit.
I suspect and hope though that some ringleaders will be arrested, charged, and jailed without bond. Their message via social media is an army of thousands is converging, and will rally to save the day.
Not over yet until they've left, but I suspect it will be a long time until local fears of retribution subside. Could be a generation or more before the wounds and feelings heal in our community. I suspect some long term economic impact as well due to the recently formed outside perceptions of the region.
Have a good one,
More fear based perspective from 1minute.
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More hoopla from you FB
Sounds like finicum was looking for martydom, and he got it.
"I'm just not going to prison," Finicum said. "Look at the stars. There's no way I'm going to sit in a concrete cell where I can't see the stars and roll out my bedroll on the ground. That's just not going to happen. I want to be able to get up in the morning and throw my saddle on my horse and go check on my cows. It's OK. I've lived a good life. God's been gracious to me."
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More hoopla from you FB
Sounds like finicum was looking for Walmartydom, and he got it.
Fixed it for you.
"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly,
while bad people will find a way around the laws."
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I know one of the adopted sons of the man that was killed. He's currently serving in the Army in HI. The FBI has questioned him.
It is being said that his father, the man killed, had his hands up and declaring that he was there to support the protest group, that is when he was shot in the head and hand.
Who really knows, yet..... Hands up. Don't shoot. Yeah, right.
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time.
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Thanks for the *boots on the ground* report, 1minute.
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time.
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My understanding is there WAS NO GUN BATTLE. FBI and Idaho Troopers were the only ones shooting. Here is an eye witness testimony. Difficult to understand. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y92PvMFL0Eg
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I find it hard to believe that given the volatility of the situation combined with it being high profile that there's no footage.
I'll hold off for a bit......
George
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�Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.�
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How did that person get onto youtube if she was in the car? She was arrested, yes?
Did she post bail?
Was that her phone call?
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time.
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There is always more than one side to every story.
Maybe Mr. Finicum was gunned down in cold blood, maybe not.
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Some of you guys just don't get it, even now. The govt is not your friend.
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Some of you guys just don't get it, even now. The govt is not your friend. but we are not so stupid to believe that everyone who hates the government is our friend.
Guns don't kill people, drivers with cell phones kill people.
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Some of you guys just don't get it, even now. The govt is not your friend. but we are not so stupid to believe that everyone who hates the government is our friend. It's all a matter of perspective. "How can we use this for good, even if the players aren't perfect?" The conservatives are purists. They insist on voting for only the perfect candidate, or they stay home. They insist on perfection from the Bundy's when they could have capitalized on the position they took. But no, throw them under the bus, cheer when they get murdered. I swear, there's a day coming when conservatives will deserve what they get. Probably in this next election, just like the last two. We need to pull our collective heads out of our asses.
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they were trying to steal public land that was purchased in 1935. there is no way to capitalize on that position.
Guns don't kill people, drivers with cell phones kill people.
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They stood against oppressive govt, there was plenty of mileage to be gained. Just needed the right PR, which of course is impossible with the media. That's why they media needs to be the first to go, before anyone else.
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Who cheered? Some simply choose not to "choose sides" until the facts are known.
If this "movement" means (meant) so much to you........where were you? It's easy to talk (type) from the sidelines.
I believe you brought up the FFs earlier in this thread/topic. What percentage of our ancestors actually nutted up and DID something? 1/3rd.....probably less.
Each of "us" has our line in the sand. You've talked enough that it appears this reached your litmus test. So.....where were you?
Your comparison aside.....these folks don't reach FF status in my world.
George
�Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.�
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Who cheered? Some simply choose not to "choose sides" until the facts are known.
If this "movement" means (meant) so much to you........where were you? It's easy to talk (type) from the sidelines.
I believe you brought up the FFs earlier in this thread/topic. What percentage of our ancestors actually nutted up and DID something? 1/3rd.....probably less.
Each of "us" has our line in the sand. You've talked enough that it appears this reached your litmus test. So.....where were you?
Your comparison aside.....these folks don't reach FF status in my world.
George I did go out there to Burns, but I didn't join because it wasn't my hill. Doesn't mean I wouldn't have liked to see some good mileage come of it. Conservatives really need to get smart and stop bickering amongst themselves.
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