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The assumptions here are on both sides of the story for sure. Some assume he was reaching for a weapon, others assume he was just putting his hands down. However, the only person who controlled the outcome was the person who exited the vehicle. Get out and run with hands up then drop the hands and reach for something or scratch something, you might end up dead. Get out of the vehicle with hands raised and then walk to the front OR rear and drop to your knees, you got a pretty good chance of seeing tomorrows sunrise. His sun just set.

Sudden moves reaching to your waist will get you killed.

I thought he was loosing his balance in the snow or maybe he was trying to dodge a bullet? Sure looks like it was an ambush.

First off, It appears to me that he was reacting to being shot, not actually reaching for a weapon, since no weapon was brandished you can't actually say that he was reaching for a weapon.

It appears to me that this was a set up. The agent that was almost hit should not have ran in front of a car.


We will never know the truth, you people that actually support this are the actual problem with this country.

It was against the law to occupy the federal building, it was against the law to do so many things. Yet you same people support this gawd dang government when they break laws, and enforce the unjustly.

Do you same people support every brance of government having weapons, and what amounts to swat teams?

Sacrifices need to be made, actions need to be taken. I will not take it bending over like it appears some of you will.

Could you make a list of the laws that you deem appropriate to break? Perhaps the circumstances as well?

Additionally, you do realize that our government is comprised, almost exclusively, of its citizens?

A setup, really?

The LEO in the woods was providing overwatch for the roadblock. Turned out to be needed.

I guess part of the setup was making F'cum run from the initial traffic stop. Great choreography....jfc.

He chose that hill to die on. He had been telegraphing that intent for a while.

You willing to sacrifice or are you asking others to do it for you? You willing to take action of are you asking others to do it for you?

Why didn't you pack your "kit" and head to Oregon?

These occupiers came from all over, itching for a gunfight with LE.

Almost funny how quick most of them threw in towel after a little reality slap.

Oh, I am not afraid of sacrifice, I think this group of folks made a grave mistake by allowing themselves to get holed up much like Waco.

Why would a routine road block need over watch?

As far as laws go, I think the first thing that should have happened is the group of folks that recanted on their deal with the Hammonds should have been dealt with.

They held a federal building, that it is my understanding that was unoccupied, the federal government couldn't let this go because the Bundy's made sure to punch them in the mouth the last time.

Do I think these people should have acted this way, no but I am not about to fault someone for standing up for what they believe in.

The comment about being made up by citizens, I get that but these folks have forgotten that they are all citizens, who have the right to leave if this countries constitution does not fit them.

I personally believe that there are many laws that are simply put in place to do nothing more than make the government money, or track its citizens.

Background checks, pistol permits, seat belt laws just a few.

If they were itching for a fight, this would have been a fight.

Exactly. He made the decision for them to shoot and it started when he ran at the first stop. If he really wanted to live, he made lots of bad choices in the last 2 minutes of his life.

His choices could been better, yes that is a non question. THe problem is at the point and time he was no threat, and if a bunch of agents, with weapons drawn, can't beat a guy to the trigger if he draws a weapon they should be retired..

If they weren't itching for a fight, it would have been a good call to leave the weapons and explosives at home.

I suppose it could have all just been them having a major stupid-attack in a smart-zone.

Anyone who watches that and can honestly say they wouldn't have taken the same shot(s), after three weeks of mall ninja posturing by YallQuieda, is either a liar, a dumbazz, or both.

I'm fairly certain they did.......

What, exactly are you trying to say there,..."beat a guy to the trigger"

WTF does that MEAN , in normal English ?

GTC

I think, stressed:my perception, is that he believes the Agents/Troopers should have let him draw.......again, my opinion of what he wrote.

George

He was fleeing from a stop to serve an arrest warrant. He damn near ran over a cop. He jumps out, doesn't follow orders and then his hands go to his waist, where he was known always have a sidearm.

Not a THREAT? I want some of what you are smoking. He was a huge threat. Looked like the shooter in the trees was an OSP officer who fired when he went to his waist.

The girl's story doesn't hold up.

Excellent summation of what I saw, also. He all but asked for this outcome and was pretty stupid, IMO.

Threaten to use firearms before this incident
Run from a stop
Almost run over a LEO at a roadblock
Run from the vehicle
Reach into his coat...furtive move by someone known to have firearms and who made threats...

The dumb SOB got himself killed.

Oh, I get it,....than Roy Rogers shoots the gun out of his hand,...grazes his wrist lightly, or some such.



Silly me for not catching that.

GTC