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My apologies as this was supposed to be in this thread but somehow it didn't make it.

No he's not wrong. Lotta truth in his statement

I've lived the American Dream thanks to those that came before me

The only thing that keeps my life from being letter perfect is the survey of what type of opportunity my children & grandchildren will inherit

I'm a boomer & often reflect if I along with many of my peers made a huge mistake chasing that dream rather than chasing politicians and worthless pukes like paddler & Nwa with a buggy whip

Better men than we risked everything to form this unique experiment in human gov't and better men died to protect this way of life in the great world wars

We've made a grievous error imo letting the bureaucrats & a vast majority of the public servants run things

What funds things are private enterprise. Period

But what runs things are bureaucrats

Taxation without representation. That's where we're at currently for the millennials they'll be paying taxes to pay the interest on every fing gov't boondoggle from LBJ on to the present
Including gwb's unPatriotic act

Whoever the GOP nominee is, they need to directly address the word socialism - even if it's not BS running for the Dems. I hope they don't just say socialism is bad, without explaining why. People who have been brainwashed need to hear the other side of the story.

Socialism sounds very nice and humane - take it from the rich, give it to the poor, free stuff for everyone!

In reality, it takes resources away from people who earned them, and who are good at efficiently using them. It does nothing for the self respect of the poor, and kills their initiative to better their own lives. Russia and China tried socialism for decades. They had hundreds of millions of talented people, and they had totalitarian governments that could coerce human behavior. It didn't work. Their national spirits corroded, people went hungry, and great violence and misery resulted. But the people doing the redistribution of wealth wound up doing okay, always keeping a piece of the action for themselves. At its worst, socialism becomes an easy path to tyranny; don't forget that the Nazi party began as the National Socialist party. Don't let people be seduced by socialism.

That indeed is an excellent article OSU

Thanks for linking it 4ager

The leftist indoctrination in the public scrool system has been successful.

The Gen X'rs were/are really no better.

They have no work ethic, discipline or ambition. They want instant results with no effort. They have absolutely no clue on what it's like or how to build anything worthwhile.

Our best be is to divide the country and salvage what we can as far as freedom goes and let the socialists implode in their utopia. They can have the east coast since they already FUBARed it.

So how do we turn the tide and educate the uneducated?
I think this comes from parents actually caring and being parents.Far too many leave the educating to others
Children are raising themselves without proper guidance
Blink and it's too late

How do you stop Yankees from being Yankees? Californians from being Californian?

Let's face it, some kids are raised right,some not, and others rebel. Many start Left and recover.

If you want to know where this all started, you will need to go back before even the Greatest Generation. Go back to the late 19th Century to Europe where the class system make upward economic mobility impossible. The working class lived in urban hovels, and the cities were populated by the 2nd, 3rd, 4th sons of farmers who were not to inherit land due to primogeniture. They came to cities and left for America.

The Marxist movement capitalized (pun intended) on the workers misery and the Communist Party rose and became linked forever to the Unions. Wealth redistribution became the goal. The Russian Revolution redistributed the wealth in the hands of upper Party members — as it ALWAYS does, and the USSSR was keen to spread Communism far and wide.

The Great Depression brought massive unemployment and the welfare safety net. The post WWII era really did see an upswing in Communist activity in Hollywood and on University Campus. The GI Bill sent millions to college that otherwise never would have gone. The Leftist found young minds of mush to corrupt.

The 1960s brought birth control pills, drugs, and the Vietnam War. All were things that college students felt their parents couldn't understand. Anti war protests organized by the communists and anarchists (see Bill Ayers, Obama's buddy) disrupted society, and did the Civil Rights Movement.

These anti war/anti America people went into politics (See John Kerry, See Tom Hayden et. al.). They went into teaching. They inspired the next wave to rebel against the establishment just like they did in the '60's. They railed against the achievers and producers, since most of them at best were teachers or professors seeking tenure and a cushy job with days filled surround by their intellectual inferiors (students).

The Civil Rights Movement started to loose its luster due to the behavior of the urban rats, so the LGBT movement became the next cause for unfairness.

Let us not forget LBJ's Great Society that created an incentive NOT to work and be productive, or the environmental movement that has become another home for communists attempting to destroy capitalism and achievement.

With the fall of the Soviet Union, and China opening to trade, communism is no longer the in your face threat it once was to many.

Do you want me to go on?

If you are a Millennial, then you can see your contemporaries flocking to Bernie, believing that the gov't has an endless supply of money, that the World needs to forced to be more "fair", and that Conservatives are "mean". You can do us a favor and slap so sense into the for us.

I've raised one conservative, and am in the process of raising another. Make sure you do the same!

Yep. It starts at home.

However, it goes beyond that. We, that care, have to get involved in local politics; school boards (God, what a thankless job), boards of supervisors or selectmen. Get involved in state politics; if not running for state office to represent your area, then be active in supporting the ones that back YOUR points of view.

Be involved in your kids' life, and their education, and hold them - and their schools - accountable.

Then, try to get others to do the same.

The nation didn't end up in the schitter overnight, and it's going to take FAR longer to correct the problems than it did to create them.

Sir, you are absolutely right! The young people have minds full of MUSH! It is soooo sad to see many openly accept socialism. Our nation will not survive another 4 to 8 years of this cancer.

In one poll 55% of the democratic voters want the next democratic nominee to have policies just like Obama! Wow, these people are so blind and ignorant!

I've got few problems with people who handle their own business. Most work for a living, actually producing some service or good that people need. Just handle your business and don't expect me and mine to take care of it for you. Don't make your problem my problem and don't try to make somebody else's problem my problem. This is not to say that charity and lending a helping hand do not have a place, this is more about people who choose not to do what they can/should and expect others to tote the load. That's BS......

Your broad brush you paint with isn't completely accurate.Many of these young Sanders supporters are from Red states,the midwest,south etc.
A novel idea would be to get rid of the electoral college and go to a popular vote
But this doesn't change the fact that young voters identify with a socialist

Unfortunately you may have been denied an education based on Fact and Reality. Before you blame us "Old Farts" for the economy you may want to spend some time researching the Cloward Piven Strategy.

It is almost complete and if Sanders gets in there my Grandchildren are definitely Fugged because it will never work.

Minor correction....


The liberal/Progressives (socialists/communists) were already vested in the universities when the Baby Boomers arrived . They were there when we showed up in the 60's. Where they came from I have no idea.

It certainly did not start with us but undoubtedly gained momentum as there were a LOT of Baby Boomers, easily corrupted.Voila...we have Hillary and Sanders who came from that genre.

Th author in OSU's article is spot on. Socialism has been an historic failure. Too bad the dopes who voted Obama into office simply don't get it.

They can't connect dots.

If you get rid of the EC, then you make the problem even worse. At that point, only states like the PRK, TX, FL, PA, NY, NJ, and MI count, and ONLY the votes from the major metro areas count. Take a look at Washington State, for example, to see what happens when it comes down to only a popular vote vs an EC system. Or, NYS for that matter.

That's how I've tried to live my life and how I've tried to raise my kids.

Got $100 says that Blue Yankee states will be Blue and Red states will be Red, regardless.

It's disheartening that an avowed socialist is a viable candidate for president of the United States. Socialism is a dead end. For hundreds of years, it has failed everywhere it's been adopted. The enthusiasm of our youth for the candidacy of Bernie Sanders is a symptom of our failure to educate them, not only in history, government and economics, but also basic morality.
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You don't have to be a student of ancient history to know socialism doesn't work. The collapse of the Soviet Union in 1989 was an unequivocal demonstration of the moral and economic superiority of capitalism. The misery caused by socialism is unfolding today in Venezuela. Since Venezuela embraced socialism in 1999, poverty, crime and corruption have all increased. Grocery shelves are empty and the annual inflation rate is estimated to be as high as 200 percent.

The United States is a constitutional republic founded on political equality, not equality of income or circumstances. Our system of government was designed to secure the natural rights of its citizens. These rights include not only “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness,” but the right to acquire and maintain private property. The Founding Fathers considered property rights to be sacred and
paramount.

Under capitalism, goods and services are distributed through private, voluntary exchanges. When people engage in volitional transactions, everyone benefits. If we believe a transaction is in our best interest, we have an incentive to maintain good relations with those with whom we're trading. Thus a society based on freedom and trading promotes good will and civility. Our free-market system has produced the greatest prosperity in human history.

There are no property rights under socialism. Goods and services are distributed by force through political means. Everything you possess is subject to confiscation and redistribution. Industrious and productive people are punished; parasites are rewarded. When people come to believe they have a right to goods and services produced by other people, society disintegrates into squabbling factions. If socialism is allowed to progress to its logical extreme, it culminates in a military dictatorship like North Korea.

What about so-called “crony capitalism”? This is nothing more than socialism that benefits the wealthy and influential. It's just as wrong as any other form of socialism. The cure is to limit government power. Human nature is corruptible. If government has the power to redistribute wealth, it will always act in the interests of the powerful segments of society. What made America great is not progressive government, but the genius and industry of a people freed from arbitrary power by the chains placed upon government by our Constitution.
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Socialism isn't so much a legitimate economic system as it is a moral failing. It will always exist because ignorant people will always want something for nothing. If we want to retain our freedom and prosperity, then we must educate our children that the purpose of government is to secure liberty, not provide free lunches.

Deming (ddenimgou.edu) is a professor of arts and sciences at the University of Oklahoma.