Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Is our military currently being asked if they'll fire on American citizens?

"Uncomfortable job"?
but they did it, didn't they

Does National Guard count?

What I mean is just what I said.

I was not on the ground during Katrina. I cannot offer any hard facts in that matter.

Regarding Katrina, I only know what the media reported. That is never a complete accounting of anything.

I think this about sums it up

I believe that to be true, however I think the point is it won't be the retired veterans making those calls, no?

The National Guard is a state agency, and has police powers when granted by that state's Governor. It's not the "Military."

Title 10 (regular Army, etc.) forces are only given police powers under the Sedition Act. Other applications of police powers by the "military" are violations of the Posse Comitatus Act.

The videos provided show police officers in battle dress uniforms (BDUs), not soldiers from the National Guard.

The average American can't tell that the contents of a soda pop are unhealthy for all mammals, how in the fudge are they going to tell if a person in BDUs carrying a AR-15 or M-4 is a cop or a Soldier?

They aren't.

Katrina was a cop on citizen thing. The Guard was there to help.

We in the National Guard are community-based citizen-Soldiers and Airmen. I don't see Guardsmen firing on their neighbors as any type of realistic scenario, ever.

A friend of mine and former Marine and cop went to work for a "contractor" (excellent pay with a newborn on the way) and was sent to Yemen to "quiet" some of the restless locals and train others. He said that in his opinion 99% of the guys in the military wouldn't turn their guns on us but foreign contractors would. His view of many of the foreigners employed by Blackwater would be not only willing but eager to follow orders.

He said that if civil war comes calling it'll be the foreign contractors that will be doing the governments work, especially he said, South Africans. His experience working alongside with many of them gave a unique and chilling assessment of how he thought it'd go.

I don't believe a majority of those in the military would even consider it but I do believe many cops across this nation would be more than willing to follow orders. Certainly not all cops but a large percentage would. Ruby Ridge, Waco, Burns Oregon, Council Idaho, hurricane Katrina, etc

Consider the oath of enlistment:

"I, (state name of enlistee), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."


The ending part: "...according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.", is direction that only LAWFUL orders, and the Laws of Land Warfare, and the Code of Conduct, all apply.

Believe it or not, these are things we were repeatedly trained on too.

Then, finally,..."So help me God." Because there are times you will be in the fog of war, and you will need all the help you can get to do the right thing.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. Keep your head in the sand, it's much safer.

I don't believe a majority would either but there would be some that would follow the "order" if given but it would make most sick to even think about it, just as it would make me sick to think about firing upon a U.S. Soldier.

Lots of history about soldiers following "unlawful orders".

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Whiskey Rebellion- Incidentally one of the few times in American History where the President has taken to the field as Commander in Chief

Bonus Army- Where the commander of the forces who faced citizens was future General of the Army Douglas McArthur.

Battle of Blair Mountain - Where Browning Machine guns were used to shoot at the protestors.

Executive Order 9066- The Internment of Japanese Americans

Little Rock Nine- The de-segregation of an Arkansas school that pitted the governor of Arkansas and the Arkansas National Guard against the Federal US Army. The crisis was resolved by a title 10 callup of the entire Arkansas National Guard by President Eisenhower.

Kent State shootings- The Ohio National Guard fires on student protestors.

1992 Los Angeles riots- The CA National Guard is used to quell riots in the aftermath of the acquittal of four LAPD officers accused of beating Rodney King

Hurricane Katrina- The National Guard confiscates legally owned firearms from Louisiana Citizens.

Link.

Think about it. How hard is it now or would it be later for Bunghole to tell a bunch of DHS or his own handpicked military units to "go get those terrorists".. meaning you.

The men actually doing the heavy lifting could be fed a bag of B.S. about your background, leanings, intent.. and you get vaporized for being a "terrorist".

We aren't that far from that now, guys. And if you aren't seeing the possibility, your eyes aren't open.

I cannot conjure a situation where the Pres bypasses the entire Chain of Command, and takes direct control of a tactical unit, along the required support and logistical units. Never gonna happen.

1794 it happened, it is not beyond the realm of possibility. Highly improbable as lessons have been learned but still possible especially with all the gun grabbing commies sitting in Washington these days.
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In October 1794, Washington traveled west to review the progress of the military expedition. According to historian Joseph Ellis, this would be "the first and only time a sitting American president led troops in the field".

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Throughout history, no tyrant has ever had trouble finding his henchmen.

Easy. He gives an order. If it is refused, he fires the general and puts another in his place. Rinse, wash, and repeat until he finds a lackey to do as he wishes.

Yeah that sounds easy.....give or take.

Generals are whores. You don't get stars these days with bending over.

That's good to know.

The internet is such a wealth of information. How did we ever get by without it.

Generals have always been whores. Read your history.

My best knowledge of Generals is firsthand knowledge of serving with a few in peace and war.


I don't have an interest in reading other's perceptions.