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[quote=MontanaMarine]That's good to know.
The internet is such a wealth of information. How did we ever get by without it. [/quote
What's good to know? I didn't make a statement claiming anything. I repeated what I was told and asked if anybody knew anything about it.
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Quick reply, not for you, don't sweat it.
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Generals have always been whores. Read your history. I don't think Gen. H. Norman Schwarzkopf is whore by any stretch of the imagination. It would be interesting to see you say that to his face.
Paul
"I'd rather see a sermon than hear a sermon".... D.A.D.
Trump Won!, Sandmann Won!, Rittenhouse Won!, Suck it Liberal Fuuktards.
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Here's the real danger. Such a scenario isn't going to be some Lieutenant pointing a finger at a bunch of innocent citizens and saying "pull the trigger". Most Americans revere our military right now, unlike other dark times in our history.
The politicians who wish to bring down the country will create a framework within which the military personnel feel like they need to defend themselves against an out of control citizenry.
They will turn the people into a mob and they will progressively use the military more and more in domestic affairs. Over time, the people will just see the military as the enforcement arm of those that they oppose.
At first, there will still be a respect there but if a couple incidences occur where the citizens clash will the military, that may turn the population against them. If they can make both parties fearful of the other, they can create such a scenario.
In the current environment, it's not gonna happen. With enough social unrest, and a highly distress population and enough manipulation, who knows. As a vet myself, I would hope it never comes to that though. Well said - but our dear leader and this outlaw administration is really, really pushing.. At some point, people are gonna push back - hard..
Ex- USN (SS) '66-'69
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LET'S GO BRANDON!!!
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All I need to know is that the central government of this nation is a greater danger to me and mine then any outside threat and act accordingly.
Jim
"Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." --Thomas Jefferson
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You should confine your cynical and cowardly standards to yourself and not reflect them on others. Until recently I worked w/ many current and former members of the military on a daily basis and felt uplifted by the quality of the human beings I met.
I still believe in my country and believe that if you were to poll the Veterans on this site your fears would be allayed.
mike r
Why not...coppers do. And the question of morality does not enter in to it when there is not a homogenous citizenry.
These are my opinions, feel free to disagree.
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Will American youth fire on American citizens? There are 72 nationalities attending my former high school.
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My best knowledge of Generals is firsthand knowledge of serving with a few in peace and war.
I don't have an interest in reading other's perceptions. You think you're the only one who has known a few or that my opinions are completely devoid of first hand experience?
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Generals have always been whores. Read your history. I don't think Gen. H. Norman Schwarzkopf is whore by any stretch of the imagination. It would be interesting to see you say that to his face. He's dead you know.
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Will American youth fire on American citizens? There are 72 nationalities attending my former high school. Exactly. What allegiance do these kids have to old white men or the ideas of old white men?
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Generals have always been whores. Read your history. I don't think Gen. H. Norman Schwarzkopf is whore by any stretch of the imagination. It would be interesting to see you say that to his face. Schwarzkopf was a Democrat.
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My best knowledge of Generals is firsthand knowledge of serving with a few in peace and war.
I don't have an interest in reading other's perceptions. You think you're the only one who has known a few or that my opinions are completely devoid of first hand experience? There are millions of vets, yes I'm aware of that. If I was interested in your opinions or experiences, I'd ask you about them.
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My best knowledge of Generals is firsthand knowledge of serving with a few in peace and war.
I don't have an interest in reading other's perceptions. You think you're the only one who has known a few or that my opinions are completely devoid of first hand experience? There are millions of vets, yes I'm aware of that. If I was interested in your opinions or experiences, I'd ask you about them. Then, your experiences probably weren't worth mentioning then were they?
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Hard to put a worth on my comments. They are free of charge, you can read or skip over.
I'm sure they will not change a single mind on the matter of the OP. I'd say my comments are about as relevant as anybody elses. Give or take.
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My comments are based on my experiences.
Somtimes connecting the two gives a little bit of credence, or at least a point of reference for anybody who is interested.
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Obama's swat team shows up in Canyon Ferry MT
gets on the bull horn and says "turn in all your guns"
nobody does
they start kicking in doors
within 30 minutes, they are all dead
that is IF they ever made it as far as Canyon Ferry
MT Gov calls up the army guard to close all state borders
MT and SD air guard puts up F-15s & 16s
fire up your streaming video and rewatch both Red Dawn
movies
those bad guys brought a lot more to the table and still did poorly
big sale on aluminum foil down at piggly wiggly
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Obama's swat team shows up in Canyon Ferry MT
gets on the bull horn and says "turn in all your guns"
nobody does
they start kicking in doors
within 30 minutes, they are all dead
that is IF they ever made it as far as Canyon Ferry
MT Gov calls up the army guard to close all state borders
MT and SD air guard puts up F-15s & 16s
fire up your streaming video and rewatch both Red Dawn
movies
those bad guys brought a lot more to the table and still did poorly
big sale on aluminum foil down at piggly wiggly Really...you think a children's movie is relevant?
These are my opinions, feel free to disagree.
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so in your world
7 days in may
the longest day
gettysburg
tora tora tora
stagecoach
she wore a yellow ribbon
dr strangelove
and 1000s more
are childrens movies and have no lessons for a fellow named after the general that cost lee gettysburg ?
the characters in the movie were not "children"
most about the same age as those who fought and won WW II
you fought in what war?
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When troops were/are deployed to stabilize civil disturbance, riots, etc, ROE will dictate when deadly force is authorized.
It's really that simple.
When the troops are taking fire, they will return fire without checking passports. I promise. I think in the beginning the troops will follow orders but will very quickly become sickened of the killing of their fellow citizens, Just a hunch. When you are a Corporal and the senior man on a patrol, or at a checkpoint, or security post, you will react based on the situation and your ROE. The Corporal will not be calling higher HQ for 'orders' on what to do. This fearmongering about being 'ordered' to fire on citizens, is so stupid it doesn't even rate reply. It is fodder for simple minds, and simple people, who have never been anywhere, or done anything, and are clueless about the world around them. Just like when troops disregarded the Constitution and disarmed citizens after Katrina, you mean those types of orders? Mag, I was a squad leader in the 9th Ward when that order came down. My CO issued the OPORD. During the back brief, I stated, "Sir, that's an unconstitutional illegal order." He said, "you're right, we're not going to do it." Two of our Battalion's companies did not confiscate, two did, for one day. The Battalion Commander refused to comply within 12 hours and our Battalion, as a whole did not. This discussion does come up over beers from time to time. The majority of Infantry types are very constitutionally minded. Not so much from the REMF types. Probably why the left resents vets and grunts so much. The actually warriors are not idiots. In 2008 the military as a whole voted the lowest level of R since the draft ended. It still voted 88% R. Liberal cowards do not tend to join the Mil and definitely not the combat arms. As far as left leaning politicos becoming general officers, got it, it is an issue. But it's the low ranking Soldiers and Marines that make the decisions whether or not to pull triggers.
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