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deflave, you have such a smooth way with words!!!!!!! Cool!
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Alcohol can make a guy say good stuff.
Clark
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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So, let me see if I'm getting this...
The 250 Savage was necked down to 22 caliber and the 22-250/22-250AI was born.
Then later in life somebody necked the 22-250 up to 6.5 to create the 6.5 Creed.
And now, we're going to neck the 6.5 down to 22 caliber so we can make a 22 Creed?
Dave Youre not drinking enough to gain full perspective... THEN you load it to 22 CHeetah speeds, take pics of no traditional signs of pressure and rag on about how much more efficient it is than the 308 case. Flave Precision will crank them out in droves.
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Even 'flaveprecision has ethical stretching limitations.
Dave
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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That's a lie.
Send us your order.
Dave
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Dont forget to throw in the shoulder angle, angle....
This is a wildcat off of a wildcat, which means Uber.
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I've never understood the Creedmoor fascination.
There was already the 6XC and the 6-250 and all its variants way before the Creedmoor came along. And I'm sure somebody had already played with the 6.5s in a 250 case. It's not like any of this is new!?!?
But somebody (GAP?), breathed life into the 6.5 in a 250 case and everybody had to have one. And to top it off, the only brass you can find is [bleep] Hornady brass!?!?
Like everyone else is telling you, go 22-250AI or if you want something different, go with a 30 degree shoulder. You'll be far better off in the long run.
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The creedmoor case addressed all the short comings of the 308 family of cases...sloping shoulder, and lack of latitude in the magazine with heavy bullets. And you don't have to fire form to get there...
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I can't say anything about the 6.5, but I've had really good luck with Hornady 308 Match stuff.
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The creedmoor case addressed all the short comings of the 308 family of cases...sloping shoulder, and lack of latitude in the magazine with heavy bullets. And you don't have to fire form to get there...
Like the 250 Savage and 22-250AI and 6XC had done before it.
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I thought it was the 30 TC case?
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The creedmoor case addressed all the short comings of the 308 family of cases...sloping shoulder, and lack of latitude in the magazine with heavy bullets. And you don't have to fire form to get there...
Like the 250 Savage and 22-250AI and 6XC had done before it. The 250 savage has a lot of taper and sloping shoulder. The 6xc isnt factory. The 22-250ai isn't factory and requires fire forming...
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I wanted to be super-different so I built a SAAMI 22-250.
Based on what I read on the internet I think I'm the last one.
Dave
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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What makes the 22/6 Creedmore case any more of a factory offering than the 6XC?
They make headstamped cases for it. No fireforming.
We'll all be dead when the disadvantages of the 308 hull makes all those cases and cartridges dry up....and the 30 TC replaces it.
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What makes the 22/6 Creedmore case any more of a factory offering than the 6XC?
They make headstamped cases for it. No fireforming.
We'll all be dead when the disadvantages of the 308 hull makes all those cases and cartridges dry up....and the 30 TC replaces it. Pretty much! The 6XC has been around a long time. David Tubb offers factory loaded ammo for it. He's been shooting heavy 6mm bullets out of that case for a LONG time. The 6.5 Creedmoor I can somewhat understand. Nobody was offering a 6.5 on the 250-3000 case. Necking any of them down to 22 just makes ZERO sense. Just buy a batch of Lapua 22-250 brass and go to town. If you want to go 30 or 40 degrees on the shoulder, go for it. Just fireform and you're there. No necking down, no neck turning, no bullshit.
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My ONLY push for the 22CM is in HOPES that a factory says "LETS DO THAT and GIVE IT a 1-8" TWIST"
Which apparently scares the living shiet out of everyone cranking out a 22/250 Again, this makes sense. Because the factories keep spitting out 1-14" twist 22/250's and lots of old guys that hunt wearing leggings, love slow twists.
"Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"
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My ONLY push for the 22CM is in HOPES that a factory says "LETS DO THAT and GIVE IT a 1-8" TWIST"
Which apparently scares the living shiet out of everyone cranking out a 22/250 Again, this makes sense. Because the factories keep spitting out 1-14" twist 22/250's and lots of old guys that hunt wearing leggings, love slow twists. Agree with you wholeheartedly there. Remington really needs to pull their head out of their ass. They might be the worst.
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I might also add "no fireforming" is total BS.
Too much variance in both brass and chambers for anyone who pays enough attention to detail that shoulder angle or COL latitude matters to the degree it apparently matters that firing fresh brass is no big deal.
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I might also add "no fireforming" is total BS.
Too much variance in both brass and chambers for anyone who pays enough attention to detail that shoulder angle or COL latitude matters to the degree it apparently matters that firing fresh brass is no big deal. Agreed. https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...ote_about_new_vs._1x_fired_#Post11261335David
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I'd be interested in hearing what speeds guys are getting from a 22 Creed and with which bullet.
I'm getting 3,300fps with the 75gr A-Max.
Clark
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