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Wheewwwww , good to hear Tex.
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Prwlr,
The Federal 205 isn't the mildest and softest-cupped small-rifle primer, but it's definitely toward that end of the spectrum. It's primarily meant for relatively small charges of the small-grain extruded powders favored by most short-range benchrest shooters, which are easier to ignite than spherical powders like Li'l Gun and 300 MP. In a test I ran on different primers in the .22 Hornet a few years ago, the F205m resulted in by far the slowest muzzle velocities and widest velocity variations with Li'l Gun.
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JB, do you think CCI 450's would do a better job igniting 300MP, versus BR4's?
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Tex, Not JB, but I think I can summarize; JB can correct me. The hotter primers, like 7 1/2, BR-4, 450 do a better job igniting slow burning powders like Lil gun and 300-MP, with 450's edging others for top spot. Gunner agrees with that, so I guess it doesn't matter what JB thinks... DF
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Wheeww! That was close... DF
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Naw, you and Gunner were ahead 2-0 already....
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It's not supposed to work but Winchester small pistol primers are the best I've tried in my hornet.
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It's not supposed to work but Winchester small pistol primers are the best I've tried in my hornet. What powder? DF
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Naw, you and Gunner were ahead 2-0 already.... Blind hog sometimes finds a worm. Maybe even two blind hogs...? DF
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I run 13 grains of little gun behind everything in the 40-50 range, standard hornet, prvi case.
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I run 13 grains of little gun behind everything in the 40-50 range, standard hornet, prvi case. You using a drop tube like gunner to get 13 gr. in a std. Hornet case? DF
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No tube, using a cheap lee kit and throwing the charge in the top. fills the case up almost to the top. I'm almost convinced I could just dip cases, strike off at the top and seat a bullet.
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The K Hornet case definitely has more room. 13 gr. drops in with room for the bullet.
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I've not had issues seating but its definitely compressed. Standard has been good to me, K doesn't intrest me much.
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Would like to hear more about your tests!
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Nothing elaborate. I started with Remington 6 1/2s and was getting groups 1.5-1.75". Tried CCI small rifles and got the same. Read about small pistol primers and all I had was winchesters in stock. Groups immediately shrunk at least in half and best groups are now running around 1/2". Nothing else was changed but primers.
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How many shots in a group? Did you check your handloads for bullet run-out?
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I run 13 grains of little gun behind everything in the 40-50 range, standard hornet, prvi case. You using a drop tube like gunner to get 13 gr. in a std. Hornet case? DF LOL, think I'm getting in 13.5 grs with only neck sizing about 1/3rd inch of the neck or measured bullet shank in the case, can't remember the exact number, but size die is set to do so. That's why I started and finished with the 450 mag primers, I knew early on I'd be trying to ignite a heavily compressed pellet of lil-gun, I need HEAT and a tough cup Man. lol
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There's also a difference in how much different kinds of brass will hold. Prvi cases are heavier, with less capacity than the Winchester cases I mostly use.
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