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Just curious what the impact velocity might have been at that range with the Creedmore? And what the advertised effective velocity of these bullets is?
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At what point during penetration did the core appear to separate? The two were just under the hide on the off side, found when skinning... The single was found on the near side front shoulder, never making it into the chest cavity... All three were from bull elk at 450 yards with a 6.5 Creedmoor. I never found any of the lead... That is sure not very positive. They impacted at a fairly low velocity and did that. I shot a few that my buddy gave me through my .260 and they shot well @ 2700 mv. I will stay with my 129 Interlocks, I believe.
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Has anyone loaded 178GR eld-x in 300win mag? Hornady doesn't offer any load data for the 178 in 300win mag. Want to try it out and wondering if anyone has had any luck with it?
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I've been testing them and imo they suck on game. Shot a few deer on cull tags in the recent past, jacket separation like above. This was with the 178 @ 3100 from a 300WM. From 200 to 600yds,we found splashing and the jackets sitting on top of a hair pile on the front side of the animal. We stopped using them and went to the Tipped Bear claw.
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As far as accuracy though they are good? My 300 doesn't like hot rounds so I'm no where near the 3100fps do think they will hold together better at a slower speed?
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As far as accuracy though they are good? My 300 doesn't like hot rounds so I'm no where near the 3100fps do think they will hold together better at a slower speed? Hard to tell, probably, but they still suck as a hunting bullet. They are however the most accurate bullet we've shot in long time.
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My rifle loves the 162's! Shoot fantastic.
Bummer to hear bad terminal reports coming in.
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This looks just like a 140 AMAX into an antelope last year, same cartridge, similar range and speed. Another... same distance
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This year I loaded the 200gr for my 300Ultra. 88.5gr of RL-25, new Norma brass, and Fed 215's gave me 9/16" groups at 100yds and 3060fps, with no signs of psi. This last August I dropped a bull caribou at 482yds. Pass through, dropped in his tracks. Not much bloodshot since it was more ribs involved then shoulders. But the lungs were absolute Dinty Moore... In Sept I dropped a 56" bull moose at 482yds with 1 shot. I thought it spined him by the way he hit the ground so hard. Nope, missed it, just hit him really hard is all... That's the only recovered bullet I've got so far. 161.2 grs.. I like 'em despite what anyone says..
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Cinch,
At what point during penetration did the core appear to separate? The two were just under the hide on the off side, found when skinning... The single was found on the near side front shoulder, never making it into the chest cavity... All three were from bull elk at 450 yards with a 6.5 Creedmoor. Sounds great.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
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I've been testing them and imo they suck on game. Shot a few deer on cull tags in the recent past, jacket separation like above. This was with the 178 @ 3100 from a 300WM. From 200 to 600yds,we found splashing and the jackets sitting on top of a hair pile on the front side of the animal. We stopped using them and went to the Tipped Bear claw.
Adam The animal died. The bullets were recovered. They weren't something that you deemed pretty enough for a magazine bullet ad photo... I'm curious as too why they suck on game? You need a dead animal to get the bullet back don't ya?
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........This was with the 178 @ 3100 from a 300WM. From 200 to 600yds,we found splashing and the jackets sitting on top of a hair pile on the front side of the animal. We stopped using them and went to the Tipped Bear claw.
Adam That's not had to understand. Not too impressive.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Bob while I understand that rapid expansion and fragmentation isn't your thing, however I have a VERY hard time believing that the jackets of any 180gr bullet didn't penetrate through hair.... In any case we have shot a lot of ELD-X's and have seen performance exactly as designed. So much so that it makes me wonder if people with core/jacket separations aren't from mistaking the ELD's for ELD-X's. That would make sense.
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Bob while I understand that rapid expansion and fragmentation isn't your thing, however I have a VERY hard time believing that the jackets of any 180gr bullet didn't penetrate through hair.... In any case we have shot a lot of ELD-X's and have seen performance exactly as designed. So much so that it makes me wonder if people with core/jacket separations aren't from mistaking the ELD's for ELD-X's. That would make sense. Formid it just does not sound good.... I get spooked by stuff that won't make it past the on side shoulders or hide . You know more about those designs than I do so I will leave to you guys to figure out. I understand them completely for really long range stuff. Heck I have not shot anything tougher than a BT in my Creedmoor yet.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Had a hunter shoot a 102" Coues deer with me last hunt. He was using the 143 ELD-X from a 6.5 Creedmore. At 500, he hit the buck high. Below the spine and broke a rib in and out.
I expected to see a giant hole when we got to the buck. .264" in, and not much bigger out. However, the holes inside the buck were silver dollar size. I was very surprised there was not more damage.
On the other hand, we shot a small 3x3 with my 28 Nosler and 180 hybrid (granted, that's a Ferrari vs a moped) and the damage was impressive. Tore up lungs, heart literally in half, shoulder smashed etc.
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Are any of you seeing a difference in terminal performance between the M's and X's? How does either one compare to let's say a 139 scenar?
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Are any of you seeing a difference in terminal performance between the M's and X's? How does either one compare to let's say a 139 scenar? There is a difference between the ELD-X and M. Depending on what bullet and what speed they can act quite similar or very different. In general the ELD-M and AMAX will expand/fragment more than the X's. Most of the Scenars are quite tough and tend to expand and hold together more than other match bullets. What everyone can't seem to/doesn't want to understand about bullets such as the ELD-X's and LR Accubonds is that they are designed to work at low impact velocities YET still hold together enough to reach vitals at close range. You can choose a bullet that looks great when pulled from a dead animal at 20 yards yet expands minimally or not at all at sub 2,000fps, or you can choose a bullet that holds together just enough to reach vitals at 20 yards yet completely expands/upsets below 2,000fps. You ARE NOT going to get picture perfect mushrooms with 100% weight retention AND good upset at 1,600-1,800fps from the same bullet- ain't happening.
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+1 Form!! Just curious whats your favorite bullet for long range hunting?
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+1 Form!! Just curious whats your favorite bullet for long range hunting? It all depends on what caliber and purpose. .224 the Sierra 77gr TMK and Hornady Amax's are awesome. 6mm AMAX/ELD-X and M and HPBT, and Berger 95/105/115gr VLD's. 6.5mm etc, etc. Generally heavy for caliber Hornady Amax/ELD-X, M and HPBT and Berger Hybrids and VLDs.
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Appreciate the feedback, but not sure where you got that I'm looking for perfect mushrooms, or that I don't understand impact velocity.
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