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Going back and forth on this decision. Know it probably doesn't matter as long as she can shoot it well. What wold you do and why?
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In equal platforms, I'd go Creed these days. Seems to be more accurate factory ammo available. And it's the hot item of the day. Might as well let her be "cool" for awhile.
Plus, it should have slightly less recoil in most loadings.
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You can probably do a standard velocity 120gr load on the 6.5 whereas you'd want a reduced load with the heavier 7mm bullets. Around here a full-house 120gr .260 and minimum load 130gr 7mm08 get the same reception.
The only way I'd go 7mm08 is if somehow stuck on using over 129gr as the minimum weight in the 6.5. Might as well use 7mm08 if going much over 120gr.
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Going back and forth on this decision. Know it probably doesn't matter as long as she can shoot it well. What wold you do and why?
Based on the above and what's available on the market... there are plenty of youth rifles, from various manufacturers in 243, which is as effective as a 6.5 or 7mm, none magnum or based on a 308 sized case... Factory ammo would be more available, readily about anywhere for the 243.... the 6.5 Creed and the 7/08 are hit and miss... for a handloader, I'd got with whatever rifle you or your young shooter would like best...
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I still shoot the .22 I found under the Christmas tree when I was 12.
15 or 20 years from now, it may still be her favorite, or only, rifle. (unless she's very petit, you may have added a spacer between the stock and recoil pad so it still fits her). She may be living far away, but she may still want to and be able to hunt.... she might not want to reload.
Walmart will likely still have 7mm-08.
6.5 Creedmoor will still likely be a niche target round.
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6.5 Creedmoor will still likely be a niche target round.
just my thoughts
Poole Still? As in it's only a "niche target round" right now? Yes, I realize you have the "just my thoughts" disclaimer but you've obviously not noticed the large and growing faction that's using it as a hunting round.
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I really like the 7-08, although I do not have one. If I had it to do over again, I would probably have that caliber instead of my 7 mags. That being said, I really like my .260, which is essentially the same as the Creed. With 129 Interlocks, it has performed flawlessly on three deer this fall and did it will little recoil.
I went to the .260 after burning my 6mm barrel and I have definitely not regretted the decision.
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The 6.5 Creedmoor is for the guys who were asleep or too young to be around when the 260 was released....
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Creed for the win!! My 9yr old killed these this past weekend. Shooting 130gr Hunting VLD's 307yd 6pt. 75yd 9pt. 190yd doe.
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There are no flies on the .243. Proven. Lots of shooting practice equals accurate shooting when it counts. The .243 is sooooooo simple.
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Thanks for the ideas so far. Here was her hunt this year. http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/11551195/1I offered her my 243 she used and would get her a new stock and scope. She will get it some day anyways. She would like her own rifle. Forgot to add she wants to hunt everything in Idaho she can. Probably cow elk next year and moose someday.
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I like the versatility of the 7-08.
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Forgot to add she wants to hunt everything in Idaho she can. Probably cow elk next year and moose someday.
Well, that might change things a little! .243 as the starter rifle, but the 7/08 should be in consideration for those future hunts!
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A 7-08 with a 120ttx at 3k is proven to kill even large moose. As per Barnes data, a Creed will shoot a 120 TTSX at 2900 and a 100gr TSX at 3200. The 127gr LRX is a good one too in the Creed, watched my brother take a buck with that combo this year. Never seen a Creed take a moose, but I'm sure somebody will do it.
High BC bullets favor the Creed in lighter weights, and less recoil, if that is your thing. The 143 ELD-X and the ability for it to fit in the mag box is appealing for the Creed.
Good luck. I see a really nice Kimber 7-08 in the classifieds now that is screaming for a good home.
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If you reload, you can spin up a mild load in the 7mm, and also a pretty stout load for bigger game. I personally see the 308 as just as versitle with reloads, and a huge selection of factory loads are available.
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I couldn't be more pleased with the choice of a Rem 700 7mm-08 for starting out my son! He started shooting it when he was 6 with reduced loads from Remington and Hornady. He now is 10 and has killed a dozen deer and several hogs with it. Great bullet selection from 120-175gr in the .284 bullets. In my opinion the 7mm-08 is a timeless caliber.
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Me too on the 7mm-08. I started my son, then 9, with a stainless T3. I loaded down for him then adopted the rifle when he wanted a .30-06. I load max charges with 140 Partitions and Accubonds. All of the following were one shot kills: Three of the five bucks hanging died from the -08. Closest shot was 175, farthest was 541 yards. My dad's 5x5, 225 yards. Spike bull, 346 yards. Speed goat, 313 yards There are several more but you get the idea. P
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7mm-08. Great round. Good selection of bullets for reloading. Good selection of factory fodder. Hornady custom lite 120 gr. is a real pleasure to shoot in my son's Rem 700. I shoot 139 gr hornady interlock in my encore.
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I gotta go 7-08. If you lived back east, and a tag for elk was not an every year possibility, I would go 6.5. But the heavier bullets you can use in a 7-08 would make more sense on a black timber hunt.
But I killed a cow elk last year with a 120 Gr Nosler mono out of a .260, and it was DRT. So if you go with the Creed it is certainly capable.
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Boy's a killer-diller! Congrats to both of you.
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