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I'd rather see them keep the issues apart. Clear vote on each. Not tie the two together.
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So do some folks here think this is a cynical tactic on the part of Ryan to deep six efforts to repeal Obamacare? He's enough of a slime ball to do that, for sure, and it did seem way out of character for him to be actually interested in ending tax payer funding for abortion. There is no Federal funding of abortions. Look up the Hyde amendment. Is anyone really this clueless?
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Lisa is no republican,she panders to the natives we'll never get rid of her. Every freebie she can come by.
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be nice if they pulled the npr money too
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So do some folks here think this is a cynical tactic on the part of Ryan to deep six efforts to repeal Obamacare? He's enough of a slime ball to do that, for sure, and it did seem way out of character for him to be actually interested in ending tax payer funding for abortion. There is no Federal funding of abortions. Look up the Hyde amendment. Planned Parenthood Federation of America’s Government Subsidies
Combined federal, state, and local government funding has increased from $203 million (30 percent of Planned Parenthood’s consolidated revenue) during its fiscal year 2000–2001 to $528 million (41 percent of revenue) during 2013–2014.[11] Planned Parenthood’s annual report does not provide a breakdown of federal versus state funding or the exact government grants, contracts, and reimbursements it receives.
A Congressional Budget Office (CBO) analysis released in September 2015, however, shows that the organization’s affiliates received approximately $60 million of taxpayer money under Title X of the Public Health Services Act, and $390 million through federal payments under Medicaid in 2013.[12] The federal government generally provides reimbursement for 90 percent of the cost of “family planning services” and products covered under Medicaid, while states provide the remaining 10 percent.[13]
Under Title X grants, abortion providers are able to prorate expenses such as staff and waiting rooms, covering a portion of the fixed costs of the abortion-related staff and facilities. According to the Guttmacher Institute,
Because Title X grants offer up-front funding to providers (rather than payment after-the-fact, as with Medicaid or private insurance), the program provides essential infrastructure support that allows health centers providing abortions to keep their doors open for clients. Up-front funding helps supply a cash-flow cushion for providers who are often operating on tight and uncertain budgets.[14]
In addition, federal regulations require that “[e]ach project supported under [Title X] must…[n]ot provide abortion as [the only] method of family planning,” but also “must”:
(i) Offer pregnant women the opportunity to be provided information and counseling regarding each of the following options:
(A) Prenatal care and delivery;
(B) Infant care, foster care, or adoption; and
(C) Pregnancy termination.
(ii) If requested to provide such information and counseling, provide neutral, factual information and nondirective counseling on each of the options, and referral upon request, except with respect to any option(s) about which the pregnant woman indicates she does not wish to receive such information and counseling.[15]
Planned Parenthood affiliates therefore must offer every pregnant woman they serve under a Title X grant the opportunity to receive information about abortion. If any pregnant woman requests an abortion referral, the affiliate must provide such a referral, thereby using tax dollars to help grow or sustain the abortion industry.
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So do some folks here think this is a cynical tactic on the part of Ryan to deep six efforts to repeal Obamacare? He's enough of a slime ball to do that, for sure, and it did seem way out of character for him to be actually interested in ending tax payer funding for abortion. There is no Federal funding of abortions. Look up the Hyde amendment. Money is 100% fungible. If I provide money to ISIS, but stipulate that none of it can be spent on terrorism or murder, they can follow that restriction 100% and still afford to increase their terrorism and murder because of it. This is due to the fact that money that would have been spent on food and clothes, for example, is now freed up to spend on increased terror and murder. Same principle applies to Planned Parenthood and abortion. You can't fund them without funding abortions. This is due to the principle of the fungibility of money. That's not how it works. The money is payment for other services, and not money handed to them to be spent however they please. Much of it goes to birth control for the poor. Many PP clinics don't do abortion but do provide birth control.
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So do some folks here think this is a cynical tactic on the part of Ryan to deep six efforts to repeal Obamacare? He's enough of a slime ball to do that, for sure, and it did seem way out of character for him to be actually interested in ending tax payer funding for abortion. There is no Federal funding of abortions. Look up the Hyde amendment. So you are saying they use separate money other than the tax payer hand outs to perform abortions, what world do you live in? The real world, where the vast majority of people pay for their own abortions, which are around $500. You just parrot the BS without ever looking for the facts.
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So do some folks here think this is a cynical tactic on the part of Ryan to deep six efforts to repeal Obamacare? He's enough of a slime ball to do that, for sure, and it did seem way out of character for him to be actually interested in ending tax payer funding for abortion. There is no Federal funding of abortions. Look up the Hyde amendment. Planned Parenthood Federation of America’s Government Subsidies
Combined federal, state, and local government funding has increased from $203 million (30 percent of Planned Parenthood’s consolidated revenue) during its fiscal year 2000–2001 to $528 million (41 percent of revenue) during 2013–2014.[11] Planned Parenthood’s annual report does not provide a breakdown of federal versus state funding or the exact government grants, contracts, and reimbursements it receives.
A Congressional Budget Office (CBO) analysis released in September 2015, however, shows that the organization’s affiliates received approximately $60 million of taxpayer money under Title X of the Public Health Services Act, and $390 million through federal payments under Medicaid in 2013.[12] The federal government generally provides reimbursement for 90 percent of the cost of “family planning services” and products covered under Medicaid, while states provide the remaining 10 percent.[13]
Under Title X grants, abortion providers are able to prorate expenses such as staff and waiting rooms, covering a portion of the fixed costs of the abortion-related staff and facilities. According to the Guttmacher Institute,
Because Title X grants offer up-front funding to providers (rather than payment after-the-fact, as with Medicaid or private insurance), the program provides essential infrastructure support that allows health centers providing abortions to keep their doors open for clients. Up-front funding helps supply a cash-flow cushion for providers who are often operating on tight and uncertain budgets.[14]
In addition, federal regulations require that “[e]ach project supported under [Title X] must…[n]ot provide abortion as [the only] method of family planning,” but also “must”:
(i) Offer pregnant women the opportunity to be provided information and counseling regarding each of the following options:
(A) Prenatal care and delivery;
(B) Infant care, foster care, or adoption; and
(C) Pregnancy termination.
(ii) If requested to provide such information and counseling, provide neutral, factual information and nondirective counseling on each of the options, and referral upon request, except with respect to any option(s) about which the pregnant woman indicates she does not wish to receive such information and counseling.[15]
Planned Parenthood affiliates therefore must offer every pregnant woman they serve under a Title X grant the opportunity to receive information about abortion. If any pregnant woman requests an abortion referral, the affiliate must provide such a referral, thereby using tax dollars to help grow or sustain the abortion industry. Nothing there refutes anything I said. The funds aren't used to provide abortions. As much as y'all whine about all the black people you should be happy there are fewer of them due to PP's services.
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So do some folks here think this is a cynical tactic on the part of Ryan to deep six efforts to repeal Obamacare? He's enough of a slime ball to do that, for sure, and it did seem way out of character for him to be actually interested in ending tax payer funding for abortion. There is no Federal funding of abortions. Look up the Hyde amendment. Planned Parenthood Federation of America’s Government Subsidies
Combined federal, state, and local government funding has increased from $203 million (30 percent of Planned Parenthood’s consolidated revenue) during its fiscal year 2000–2001 to $528 million (41 percent of revenue) during 2013–2014.[11] Planned Parenthood’s annual report does not provide a breakdown of federal versus state funding or the exact government grants, contracts, and reimbursements it receives.
A Congressional Budget Office (CBO) analysis released in September 2015, however, shows that the organization’s affiliates received approximately $60 million of taxpayer money under Title X of the Public Health Services Act, and $390 million through federal payments under Medicaid in 2013.[12] The federal government generally provides reimbursement for 90 percent of the cost of “family planning services” and products covered under Medicaid, while states provide the remaining 10 percent.[13]
Under Title X grants, abortion providers are able to prorate expenses such as staff and waiting rooms, covering a portion of the fixed costs of the abortion-related staff and facilities. According to the Guttmacher Institute,
Because Title X grants offer up-front funding to providers (rather than payment after-the-fact, as with Medicaid or private insurance), the program provides essential infrastructure support that allows health centers providing abortions to keep their doors open for clients. Up-front funding helps supply a cash-flow cushion for providers who are often operating on tight and uncertain budgets.[14]
In addition, federal regulations require that “[e]ach project supported under [Title X] must…[n]ot provide abortion as [the only] method of family planning,” but also “must”:
(i) Offer pregnant women the opportunity to be provided information and counseling regarding each of the following options:
(A) Prenatal care and delivery;
(B) Infant care, foster care, or adoption; and
(C) Pregnancy termination.
(ii) If requested to provide such information and counseling, provide neutral, factual information and nondirective counseling on each of the options, and referral upon request, except with respect to any option(s) about which the pregnant woman indicates she does not wish to receive such information and counseling.[15]
Planned Parenthood affiliates therefore must offer every pregnant woman they serve under a Title X grant the opportunity to receive information about abortion. If any pregnant woman requests an abortion referral, the affiliate must provide such a referral, thereby using tax dollars to help grow or sustain the abortion industry. Nothing there refutes anything I said. The funds aren't used to provide abortions. As much as y'all whine about all the black people you should be happy there are fewer of them due to PP's services. If money funds an organization that provides abortions, then that money funds abortions. That's just logic. Would funding that flows through to feed starving North Koreans not also be funding the North Korean regime because it allows them to use other funds for other purposes? Yep. Would funds that go into a manufacturing company by way of grants not also fund the production of their materials? Yep. If money funds an organization that provides abortions, then that money funds abortions. I realize that you have a serious problem with logic, especially when it relates to abortion (as well as biology, genetics, philosophy, and morality), but this is as elementary in logical progression as it gets and only the most self-blinded (you) could even consider denying the fact that money that funds an organization that provides abortions is money that funds abortions.
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I'd rather see them keep the issues apart. Clear vote on each. Not tie the two together.
The entire reason that Ryan wants to tie them together is because he does not want ObamaCare repealed nor Planned Parenthood defunded. By tying them together, he is trying to insure the defeat of both measures.
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I feel certain, based on past observations, you made some snotty remarks that you think are intelligent, but all I ever see is:
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I feel certain, based on past observations, you made some snotty remarks that you think are intelligent, but all I ever see is:
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Toggle the display of this post That's because you're a coward, and a liar, if only proven time and again. When you cannot refute the logic of money that funds an organization that provides abortions being money that funds abortions, then you obfuscate and run away.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...thood-actually-uses-its-federal-funding/But, it's important to note that federal dollars are not used to provide the service at the center of the political debate around Planned Parenthood: abortions.
That's been banned by law in almost all cases since 1976. (The details of the ban have shifted over time.) Instead, the organization uses money from other sources — private donors and foundations as well as fees — to fund its abortion services.
All told, abortions comprise about 3 percent of all the services Planned Parenthood provides, according to the organization's own data. (In 2011, FactCheck.org also examined this question and found the organization's reports to be accurate)
Among those services supported with federal dollars are STD screenings and contraception. Most public health experts agree that this combination does help to preserve women's overall health and fertility while also limiting unwanted pregnancies
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How does the Planned Parenthood annual report arrive at the 3 percent figure? The calculation counts each “discrete clinical interaction” as a separate “medical service,” meaning simple tests or routine provision of birth control are given the same weight as surgical or chemical abortions.[6] For example, if a woman in the course of a year receives a free condom, a pregnancy test, a sexually transmitted infection (STI) test, and an abortion, Planned Parenthood would say abortion was only 25 percent of the services provided.
Even with Planned Parenthood’s broad definition of “medical service,” data reported in the organization’s annual report suggest that roughly 12 percent of people who received a service from Planned Parenthood affiliates received an abortion during the reporting year.[7]
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One can argue the money indirectly funds abortion, and that would be a correct statement. But ask yourself this: If abortions suddenly became 100% illegal, or PP flat out stopped any an all connection to abortion, would the funding for PP change at all?
the answer is "nope"
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...thood-actually-uses-its-federal-funding/But, it's important to note that federal dollars are not used to provide the service at the center of the political debate around Planned Parenthood: abortions.
That's been banned by law in almost all cases since 1976. (The details of the ban have shifted over time.) Instead, the organization uses money from other sources — private donors and foundations as well as fees — to fund its abortion services.
All told, abortions comprise about 3 percent of all the services Planned Parenthood provides, according to the organization's own data. (In 2011, FactCheck.org also examined this question and found the organization's reports to be accurate)
Among those services supported with federal dollars are STD screenings and contraception. Most public health experts agree that this combination does help to preserve women's overall health and fertility while also limiting unwanted pregnancies
Money used to fund an organization that provides abortions is money used to support/provide abortions. That logic is irrefutable.
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How does the Planned Parenthood annual report arrive at the 3 percent figure? The calculation counts each “discrete clinical interaction” as a separate “medical service,” meaning simple tests or routine provision of birth control are given the same weight as surgical or chemical abortions.[6] For example, if a woman in the course of a year receives a free condom, a pregnancy test, a sexually transmitted infection (STI) test, and an abortion, Planned Parenthood would say abortion was only 25 percent of the services provided.
Even with Planned Parenthood’s broad definition of “medical service,” data reported in the organization’s annual report suggest that roughly 12 percent of people who received a service from Planned Parenthood affiliates received an abortion during the reporting year.[7] That doesn't change what I said in any way. It actually confirms abortions are a small percentage of what they do. You just parrot the same old BS every time while ignoring the fact that the best way to reduce the number of abortions is to keep funding PP.
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the small percentage went from 3% to 12%.
Showing first that PP is disingenuous in their reporting, we are to expect also that their use of Fed funds is somehow sanctimonious?
talk about parroting. Do you use a flip chart?
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How does the Planned Parenthood annual report arrive at the 3 percent figure? The calculation counts each “discrete clinical interaction” as a separate “medical service,” meaning simple tests or routine provision of birth control are given the same weight as surgical or chemical abortions.[6] For example, if a woman in the course of a year receives a free condom, a pregnancy test, a sexually transmitted infection (STI) test, and an abortion, Planned Parenthood would say abortion was only 25 percent of the services provided.
Even with Planned Parenthood’s broad definition of “medical service,” data reported in the organization’s annual report suggest that roughly 12 percent of people who received a service from Planned Parenthood affiliates received an abortion during the reporting year.[7] That doesn't change what I said in any way. It actually confirms abortions are a small percentage of what they do. You just parrot the same old BS every time while ignoring the fact that the best way to reduce the number of abortions is to keep funding PP. And, you still attempt to defy logic, biology, philosophy, and morality in defense of abortions and Planned Parenthood.
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Liberal Republicans don't want to repeal Obamacare, much less PP.
The only thing worse than a liberal is a liberal that thinks they're a conservative.
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