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Spike,
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<br>It wasn't that bad. Crud, nobody would even try to answer questions, and few had much experience then. So I'd dig out the books and see what the "names" had to say. Of course, now we are all know-it-all I mean all-knowing experts ourselves.......................
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<br>Blaine

Art,
<br>No problem from this end. Could turn this into a VERY long discussion about problems in the military, but let's keep it (sort of) to guns and hunting. Will make one point about jet jockeys: About 3 days into this 10 day exercise we're in an OPORD briefing with Army and AF. At the time I was an Armor Battalion FSO, so had a keen interest in the flyboys. Runnin' on about 7 hours sleep in the last 72. Well, right in the middle of the briefing all the jet jockeys get up and leave. I turn to my BN CDR and ask WTF? "Crew Rest". They had to have 8 hours of downtime before flying. I understand they are flying multi-million dollar aircraft and are a lethal force on the battlefield, but they went to the bottom of my list on that one (until I needed to call in some A-10's and F-16's and then they were my best pals). Have a 1st cousin that is a Bull in the AF. Served some time supporting Delta. Pretty cool guy.
<br>Henry

Many of our regulations written in blood. It didn't take long to figure out if a guy didn't get decent rest, really bad things happend while airborne. For example, it really sucks if you drop a nuke on the wrong target......It also sucks if the Army calls and you miss because you are so tired you can't concentrate.
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<br>But don't worry, when we are working as ground pounders, they work us until we get stupid, just like they do the Army guys........
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<br>BTW, I'm pretty sure Army aviators have crew requirements as well.
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<br>Blaine

They do. Believe me, no one appreciates more what they bring to the fight than the guys out front. Whether it is fast movers or Apaches. No debate there. In full support of the "combined arms" effort. I can just live w/o the attitude from the pilots, whether he drives an F-16, C-130, or CH-47.
<br>BTW, I was one of the guys the grunts called on for support, from Pershing missles (nukes) to MLRS and 155 howitzer, I lauched/fired them all. As an Airborne/Ranger knew all about the importance of supporting the guys out front.
<br>Henry

MM,
<br> First off, your long winded, I guess it come from running 4 miles every morning in boot camp at PI/SD. As far as your break down of a rifle platoon. I don't ever remember it being like that. Maybe thats what the little Red Book had in it, but in the real world it wasn't, at least where I was at, it wasn't...........
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<br>7400hunter

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<br> I've been "in" since 1979. The organization of a rifle plt has changed once or twice in that time. Three 13-man squads made up of a squad leader(Sgt) and three 4-man fire teams, is current T/O for a rifle plt.
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<br>Fire team leader, M16A2
<br>Automatic Rifleman, M249 SAW
<br>Grenadier, M16A2 w/M203 grenade launcher
<br>Rifleman, M16A2
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<br> Of course we all know usually about only 60% manned. Same/same in artillery(I'm an 0861). Each piece rates a 10-man crew, 6 pieces per battery. In peacetime, we can usually only field 2-4 guns per btry due to manning.
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<br> About the only time a units T/O is full, lately, is in the case of a MEU. Where I'm sure you know they are manned up 6 mo. before deployment, for their pre-deployment work-up.
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<br> I'm not usually so long-winded, but when AFP generalized all military NCOs as managers, I nearly puked. Hence the overkill....
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<br> These are the facts as I see them, based on my limited experience......(grin)
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<br>Semper Fi! MM
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Like I stated before, we are in deep trouble, these guys in the military can't spell for sour apples. Some of the words they put together look like chicken scratching and they expect everyone to know just what they are talking about. Very intresting reading. TIWGTAC -- no

Sorry bout that Need One. You are absolutely right. We have our own languages, I can speak fire support fluently, and dabble in infantry. Outside that, I can get lost pretty fast.
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<br>T/O: Table of Organization, or essentially a manning roster for a specific type of unit.
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<br>SAW: Squad Automatic Weapon (5.56mm belt or magazine fed)
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<br>0861: Fire Support Man, Military Occupational Specialty(MOS). Essentially an enlisted Forward Observer (FO), and fire support planner/coordinator.
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<br>MEU: Marine Expeditionary Unit. The smallest Marine Air Ground Task Force(MAGTF). Consists of a Command Element(CE) with three sub-elements: A reinforced Battalion sized Ground Combat Element(GCE), a composite squadron Air Combat Element(ACE), and a Combat Service Support Element (CSSE)
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<br>For those interested,
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<br>MM

Henry,
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<br>The attitudes of some of the young pilots is hard to take for many. Since--in terms--of the militray--I am now an "old" pilot, I have a different perspective. I don't mind the young fighter guys being a little cocky, if that's what it takes for them to be confident and aggressive when flying. I want them to have their "fangs out," because I think that makes them more effective.
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<br>Now I'm sure it was just a typo, but there aren't any C-130 pilots with inappropriate attitudes ...........
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<br>My first tour was in C-130s (when I was one of those much reviled JOs), and it didn't take long for me to realize--like Andy Griffith said in "No Time for Sergeants"--it's the Army that does the real fightin', and the Air Force is just the helpers....." I don't know when pilots from other weapons systems figure this out, but eventually most of them do. The whole objective of F-15 CAP, F-16/B-52 attacks, and C-130s hauling troops and supplies is supporting that 19 yr old with an M-16 occupying his 3 sq ft of ground. You probably didn't know we knew that ...........
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<br>Blaine
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Art,
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<br>You didn't step on any toes, but you did open the door to a whole nother line of thought. Interestingly enough I find my "natural" reaction as a pilot is to be critical of the medical folks. I wonder if there is natural antagonism between docs and pilots?
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<br>Blaine

Blaine
<br>No, I think you pilots are just jealous! ;-)
<br>art

AFP,
<br> I've been on both ends of the stick here. Grunt in the 3rd Marine Division and also a Pilot. Got tired of both and my toes have been sore all my life.
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<br>7400hunter

MM,
<br> I'm sure things have changed a lot since I was in. The Marine Corps has to change to be effective in what they do, since they are the best at doing those things. I've noticed they don't use the terms such as FMF, BLT, MAU. and etc. which I was a part of, being an 0311. 1stBn. 4th Mar. 3rd MarDiv. & 1stBn, 8thMar. 2ndMarDiv. a long time ago.
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<br>7400hunter

7400,
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<br> MAU, MAB, and MAF, are now MEU, MEB, MEF. You know how names change with Commandants. The word "Amphibious" was replaced with "Expeditionary" awhile back. The rest of the terms are in common usage.
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<br>MM
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I am here for entertainment and edification (is that a word?) Very little "bugs" me, - if I don't like it I pass it by. Once in a while, though......
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<br>Probably my biggest irks are my own habits. I tend to be windy and pedagogal ? , my spelling is not the best, and although I usually proof and edit, I don't use spellcheck in this context, as it is not available, and I can never find the friggin' dictionary when I need it.
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<br>I appreciate everyone's forebearance of my foibles, and try to extend the same courtesy to you all ("ya'll" in Texas).
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<br>Oh yes - Einstein - He is also alleged to have replied "Madame, I am a mathemetician, not a philosopher!" when asked if he prepared his own tax returns.
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<br>Remember the movie "Zulu" ? In the action that this movie was based on, something like 14 Victorian Crosses (equivalent to our Medal of Honor) were awarded. The sargeant didn't get one of them, because he was "just doing his job".

You nailed it pardner. Duane and Slowhand, no one else are even close in my CD collection. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

"stoned blue, rock and roll shore helped me thru" I completly wore out a Foghat 8-track my junior year in high school, thanks for the memories.

Spaulding

BuckHunter,
FINALY,someone else on this board agrees with me.

Just one more mornin',I hadda wake up with the blues,pull myself outta bed,put on my walkin shoes,went up on the mountain to see what I could see,the whole world was fallin,right down on top of me.....

WB.

I feel that you hit the nail on the head Dempsey, I noticed that there were a few people that brought themselves to writing just exactly the things they said that they didn't like in the posts. A bit hippicritical if you ask me. None the less I probably owe Dr Ken an apology for using him as a guinea pig in the whole spectrum of things. [color:"red"] [/color] I apologize Dr Ken!!!!! I hope all had a wonderful x-mas and I wish all a very happy new year!!!!! [color:"blue"] [/color] I know I had an absolutely wonderful time with the missus and all the children.