Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Handguns Why the .45 ACP "sucks" for self defense

LOL.

Kevin was in the twin towers before they were hit as well.

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/10416518/1

Kevin is the Brian Williams of the campfire.



give it up Kevin, you don't have to pretend to be all this stuff, just be yourself.

What sucks about the 45 acp to me is that handguns that use double stack mag are too thick/fat in the grip for my hand and that the factory ammo is about 50% more than 9mm. Handloading the 45 acp helps mitigate the cost some but 9mm is still cheaper.

I like that the 9mm can have high capacity due to their double stack mags and still have a reasonably grip thickness. Compound this with cheap & economical to shoot, shines favorably on the 9mm.

From what I read and pulling out of the gun mag, is that for the 9mm to have comparable performance to 45acp is that the 9mm needs to use premium, bonded bullets. Whereas the 45 acp, you got much more leniency with your jhp ammo.

With the trend of going to smaller & trimmer 9mms result in single stack for better conceal drops in it's capacity and lighter recoil advantage.

In two words, "It doesn't"...

Whether one is choosing a 9mm, a .40 S&W, or a .45 ACP, each offers something to fit the needs of potential handgunners. I believe they are all three fairly capable rounds--and any one of them is a good choice.

The 9mm has always been my favorite centerfire handgun round--for reasons obvious to anyone who shoots on a regular basis.

When I first began comparing times between the 9mm and the .45 ACP when firing specific stages--the results were fairly depressing. My times with the .45 were too slow by contrast. Consistent practice over the past 30 years has narrowed that gap. The last five times I've been out at the range, four of those five times have been very cold, right close to zero, or right at zero degrees. The last time out last week, the temperature was about 12 above, but with the wind it was quite a bit colder--likely right at zero degrees--calling for firing with gloves on. I made a half day of it.

These sets were fired with a second gen Glock 21 with Trijicons dated 1992, the pistol bought new in 1993 (as an aside, they still have fairly decent glow). The rounds were Federal 230 gr FMJ full power rounds with aluminum cases. Standing one yard in front of target, facing 180 degrees away. At beep, turn 180 and fire five shots while retreating straight back, or retreating at an angle, to about four yards distance. Pics of three of those sets--all fired with thin gloves on.








Tobacco Root mountains in the distance--a great day:




Reasonable skill can be achieved with full power .45 ACP rounds, and it is a great round for carry--my favorite for everyday carry, and it only "sucks" when the one doing the firing sucks. Presenting the rig on demand--and getting rounds off fast--and accurately--is much of the crux of the matter, and debating between these 3 cartridges is something that can go on endlessly.

These types of topics baffle me, and really remind me of the notion of couples taking Lamaze classes to have a child. Ridiculous. Imagine critters "not knowing", stressing, wondering about that which comes naturally...

Folks need only pick a cartridge and platform that works for a particular need, and go forth and practice with it--which soon confirms one's choices...

I think Hi-Vel summed it up well with the quote above. Pick the cartridge in the platform that you like and practice with it

Agreed, it's really as simple as that.

Yes. As in they both are.

Well I learned a lot reading all this. guess I need to toss my 1911 as the 45 ACP round will not penetrate wet TP. I need to just use my old single six and find some 22 shorts.





















Or not!

Watch tossing your .45, Scott. I understand you have one of those "warm chocolate" ones, and you might splatter *useless .45* all over the place....(grin)

I'll wait for a real cold day.