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The rumours are untrue, folks. Dick Van Dyke is alive and well and masquerades under the assumed name of "Cohiba"... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Nice smoke, BTW!
Seriously, if it were not so tragic, you are not so far from the truth. All you need do is read Hansard's minutes of the "Hunting with Hounds" bill to see bigotry and ignorance in concert. Whilst not a fox hunter, I see no reason for people to be barred from doing as they please on their own property. I don't particularly like golf, but if people enjoy it, that's fine by me. Sadly, in this country, every inch of ceded right and privilege is one yard closer to totalitarianism. Neither I, nor my grandfathers before me took the Queen's shilling to see this county's heritage simply frittered away.
I speak as an injured party, villified by press and politician alike for holding target pistols in the wake of the Dunblane massacre. In essence, 57,000 pistol shooters were disenfranchised and had their possessions seized with minimal financial compensation. In my case, a �4K race gun warranted �1500 and a 2nd Gen Colt '73 costing �1400, just �800 in return. I'll say this for you "Yanks", at least your Government respects its citizens, if not fears them. In my mind, that is no bad thing.
Have a good weekend.
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Bushcraft and POP, or anyone else who thinks it isn't hunting.
I challenge either one of you to come with me and then we'll see if you can say it wasn't hunting. Hunting does not have a defined distance that I am aware of.
If you would happen to be lucky enough tag along to where I hunt, you'd find yourself well above 9000 ASL. Areas I have pre scouted, areas where I have bugled in the big boys to well, just a hair over 13 paces. I have also found myself preparing for a shot well over 900 yards if the situation was right.
Just because we call ourselves long range hunters doesn't mean we always look for that situation. However, should it arise we are prepared and can take the shot ethically and cleanly.
Again, open invitation for anyone who says this isn't hunting to spend some time with me. It may just change your mind. Trust me no fat ass road hunter could handle even the first 5 min. with me or anyone who hunts with me.
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I also hunt in Wilderness areas since I am a WY resident. I know what it's like up there....way up there.
My problem with this sort of ""HUNTING"" is that some people do it to show off to their internet buddy crowds and others do it because they are ego-maniacs.
There is a myriad of posts that epitomize this point but I will not refer to them. Look around and you will find them.
Taking a laptop, an 100 lbs bench, a 25 lbs rifle into the field, feeding it substandard (for game) match bullets just because their BC is higher, and specifically looking for a game animal past 1000 or 1500 yards away just to feed your ego and brag to your buddies? No thanx. Nothing hunting about that buddy. At least in my opinion.
You wanna do that? Great ! Get a lifelike target set it up at 3000 yards and have at it. Hell I am in too!
I practice long range also. Given the situation I know I can make a 700-800 yard shot but I do not. I rather hunt and stalk the game. This to me is hunting. the aforementioned is long range shooting.
BTW the below statement is what separates you from the rest!
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"Just because we call ourselves long range hunters doesn't mean we always look for that situation. However, should it arise we are prepared and can take the shot ethically and cleanly."
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To me this is hunting.... I agree. Its what seperates us all. I happen to be able to think that many forms of hunting are just that. Hunting. Long as I'm happy with mine, you be happy with yours.
Lets sit back and think a bit. 100 pound bench and big gun etc... how many hunt from hundreds of pounds deer blinds, with heavy barreled guns? Not a lot of difference. In long green fields. DIdn't the original term come up as bean field rifle.
To further this a bit more, most don't have a problem with folks setting up on a PD colony and shooting. Ain't much different there. Game is game. I don't intentionally let anything suffer and don't think anyone should.
Gets very confusing where one can draw a line so I submit a line cannot be drawn.
My sig line covers my thoughts on the situation anyway.
Jeff
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To further this a bit more, most don't have a problem with folks setting up on a PD colony and shooting. Ain't much different there. Game is game. I don't intentionally let anything suffer and don't think anyone should.
Jeff
Wait a minute now. Now you're disagreeing with these Long range "hunters". <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> The reason why is that PD's or other varmints do not consitute any type of game to them. How do I know about that? I will tell you. Because these "hunters" only admit to missing, or taking them 6-10 shots to get on target when they are shooting at non-game rock chucks or pds or coyotes. Amazing though that when they shoot at elk deer antelope or buffallo from one zip code to another they never ever miss. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Are you referring to me? If so what are you insinuating?
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look when the compound bow more than doubled archer's effective range that was cool, when the inline magnum muzzleloaded more than doubled the blackpowder hunters range that was a miracle break-through.
Now that modern equipment, powders and ability have way, way more than doubled the effective range of rifle hunters some of you call foul, guys thats BULLSHIT!
If which this is not speculation, I can hit a 4" circle at 700 yds, because of dilagent work with my rifle and loads in preparation for hunting season, How can you condemn me for it, or better yet HOW DARE YOU CONDEMN ME FOR IT? I don't say a word about you bunch odf lazy bastards that hover over your bait piles to hunt, Nor do I condemn the rich egotistical guys who hunt behind fences, but what I do isn't hunting? Ron White is right, ya can't fix stupid.
Hunting is persuing game and making a humane 1 shot kill, what is it about shooting one at 500 yds that is not hunting. I've hunted both ways, took deer from 3 steps to 627 yds one is just as hard as the other, if you don't believe me try it, don't whine till you know what your whining for.
Oh, how do you figure a 50 yard shot is harder than one at 700? can't wait to hear these responses!
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Taking a laptop, an 100 lbs bench, a 25 lbs rifle into the field, feeding it substandard (for game) match bullets just because their BC is higher, and specifically looking for a game animal past 1000 or 1500 yards away just to feed your ego and brag to your buddies? Do you fall in the aforementioned category? If not then let someone else comment on your post because I am not referring to you BTW I have made 500 yards also but for the right reasons. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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There are many who do not feel the compound bow or inline muzzleloader are benificial or a positive influence on Archery or Black powder muzzleloading seasons!
The only thing both did for the appropriate hunting methods was made it easier for beginers,(quicker learning curve) And possible for experienced SHOOTERS to increase there killing distances.
Much like a rifle increases killing distance over a bow. What will be next with the rifle to increase its killing range and to what end? Maybe a digital scope/video camera, with range finder and compensater all in one? Ohh are those advertised in the American Riflemen?
Keep shooting yourselves out of hunting!
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ACtually I'm not one of those folks that blast away for the heck of it at anything. I will say that a close miss on a PD is a dead deer or elk anytime.
I'll also offer this, on PD they(I can understand this train of thought anyway) don't take the time to work each animal out exactly like they would on a deer. They are taking liberties learning about what conditions do and taking SWAG shots. Its a learning curve. For me, if I ever get lucky enough to do a PD shoot, I'm more of a one shot one kill mentality. Numbers mean nothing. I'll make each shot a game practice shot and do my thing.
Jeff
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Actually we won't progress ourselves out of hunting, though by becoming more efficient, we will or may narrow the opportunities. The only thing that keeps more tags out there than animals needed to thin down is less than 100% success.
For me, given a good shot, I'm 100% normally so give me a tag and show me an animal and its dead. But many others never see game(with my luck I'm often one of those) and lots miss etc....
The more efficient we become, the less tags will be out there since it won't take like 10 tags issued for each elk shot, it might be 2 tags for each elk shot. Thats what we have to watch out for.
Jeff
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look if you use cover scent, scent lock, buck lure, or even camo? then you have no room to say nothing, the only thing LR hunters need to efficiently and cleanly take game to 700 yds that a normal 50 yard stumpsitter uses is a rangefinder.
give me a range on an undestirbed deer to 800 yds and I'll give you venison, and I'll kill that deer DRT alot more often then the guy who shoots them at 40 yds.
Its like this, if you shoot 100 yds often, then 100 yds is a chipshot, same for 500 yds, if you know where the bullet hits then its a given. What I want is to know why its unethical?
Are you close enough to god allmighty that you call the shots on who's ethics are right? ethics are a deeply personal and indavidual thing, its not what you do when someone is watching, its what you do when nobody is.
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Taking a laptop, an 100 lbs bench, a 25 lbs rifle into the field, feeding it substandard (for game) match bullets just because their BC is higher, and specifically looking for a game animal past 1000 or 1500 yards away just to feed your ego and brag to your buddies? No thanx. Nothing hunting about that buddy. At least in my opinion. Not me, I have built several rifles to do this type of hunting but have gotten lighter and lighter as time goes by. Typical Tactical types but lightened. Current one will finish at 7-9 lbs depending on scope... I do carry a pocket pc, and kestral 4000. Not to menton my rifles are fitted with Angle cosign indicators and bubble levels. I'm prepared for most situations. I have passed on more than one B&C animal because the situation wasn't right. My beef with this whole thing is that you can't group al uf us LRhunters into one group. You can't make blanket statements to say all of us arn't hunters... I spend as much time in the off season observing areas as much as I do "time in country" hunting. Albeit, my work takes me into my hunting areas... www.dnrranch.com follow the outfitting button.. ;-)
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Well Pop Once more dishonesty has surfaced from you. This is your statrment I will tell you.
Because these "hunters" only admit to missing, or taking them 6-10 shots to get on target when they are shooting at non-game rock chucks or pds or coyotes.
Amazing though that when they shoot at elk deer antelope or buffallo from one zip code to another they never ever miss.
You knew that was untrue when you posted it. We are probably as a group more honest about our craft than most.
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Oh really?
The only misses I have read about and do recall are the ones on varmints and targets at these extreme ranges. The reason why I think is that they are politically acceptable. Missing on game is not. I never recall someone posting that is took him or her 3-4 shots to hit an animal at these ranges.
If I am wrong post it.
Disonesty from me? Hardly buddy. I can quantify my statements. I always analyze what I post and very carefull how I word my posts.
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I never recall someone posting that is took him or her 3-4 shots to hit an animal at these ranges.
yup most won't because the reply we'll get is "see you were to far" yet short range guys miss all the time and it is acceptable. But God forbid if a LR guy misses...whoa, hold your horses there...it isn't anything but a bunch of I told ya so's Me personally I have missed 2 times... once at 870 +/- and once at 1521. both were clean and I did kill the 1521 with the next shot. Never have I wounded an animal or lost one. Ever.
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I posted a picture of a deer earlier in the thread. The picture went with a story of a miss. The reason there is a picture is that if there is any doubt in my mind about a shot not being a clean miss, I will take a lot of time and trouble to follow up.
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POP, you wrote:
"The only misses I have read about and do recall are the ones on varmints and targets at these extreme ranges. The reason why I think is that they are politically acceptable."
I posted of a miss (even entailed a slight wound) not to long ago-range in the 546 yds. give or take a yard. Got some numbers messed up. I made a drop chart that could easily be confusing with my ART reticle (my fault). Wasn't even rushed on the shot. My practice distance is 600 yards, and I felt really bad. I had never done this in practice, but I blew it that day. The animal was doing fine, as I watched it for over 300 yards, but couldn't shoot (houses and a road). Followed up to the best of my ability (confirming the health or lack of) by doing a lot of walking. Yes, I learned from it (never make a drop chart like that again).
Judging a whole group of people as being all the same (IF my perception is correct) is an interesting choice on your part.
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Fellas I am talking about situations likethe above. I am talking about the other heroes.
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