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POP,

Ok he made a mistake he admits it and learned from it...

Can you tell me that NO S.R. hunter has ever done somthing wrong, even somthing he has practiced?
Example: deer hunter walks through dense timber jumps a buck, leaping and bounding away.. hunter says I made this shot before, BOOM, catches the buck iin the hind quarters breaking a leg and the buck keeps on going but hunter never gets a chance for a follow up. Never finds deer. Probobly happens 100's of times a year. But, because "thats hunting" it is OK?

I'm willing to bet the typical L.R. hunter spends more time practicing, learning from practicing and fine tuning his skills than the typical S.R. hunter.

Hell, I've missed short and long range. Repeatedly...

And, connected both short and long range.

Have never lost a big game animal, and save for 2 squirrels that got into holes in trees before expiring, never lost ANY game animal.

Does that count? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

If you can make the shot, confidently and safely, take it. If not, don't.

POP,
Did you intend to write what you actually typed above or did you mean, "Fellas I am NOT talking about situations like the above. I am talking about the other heroes."

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> Big azz sausage fingers! Yes that is what I meant to type. Sorry fellas, I apologize.

whew...

Jacobite-

If you go to the elk hunting forum and the "500 shots at elk" thread you'll see where I recounted an experience of mine where even if you hunt hard and well, circumstances may arise where your only shot--certainly different sounding than your situation where you control your own herd by yourself--if you are to take even one will be a long, long one.

Here, in the U.S./North America and particularly the mountain west and high desert southwest, where a prized tag is finally recieved, maybe after years of waiting, the serious among us practice for every contingency; read that as meaning practice with the right equipment to take a clean, killing shot at long range should that be the one that presents itself without the hope of closing the range.

You can put candles in a pile of bullchit, but that dont make it a birthday cake!
There is no sense in trying to convert or reason with the " Its the only shot I had idiots!" long range or short.
And what is with the condecending idea that if a hunter limits there shots to close range they are not proficient shooter?
And this bs, like, Its way up above the timber line and im from montana, wyoming so you dont understand! Give me a break grizzly adams.

Been there, done that, had the restraint to not shoot and either HUNT closer or not tag out!
Shooting game at 1500 yards makes me sick, And if you think that because I call a spade a spade and its going to separate our ranks and mean no hunting , well if this is what more and more "hunters are buying in to than Maybe the antis are right!
Before you go all bat sht and start calling names, I live to hunt! love it , want it around for the future generations, but if they think that this bullsht is hunting then they dont deserve to kill which is all you are doing.
So keep trying to rationalize your actions and pat each other on the backs and ruin Hunters images all the way to the end !
Because with your thinking IT WILL END.

I'm not quite sure if you're angry with me or just everyone on this thread and in general but take it easy friend. I really agree with what's at the heart of your comment; however, your generalization in grouping everybody whose ever taken "a long shot" together is and always will be inaccurate (pun intended).
It's not just the distance in yards; it's all the other circumstances that are present that determine for that hunter at that moment in time whether the shot is ethical or unethical, right or wrong.

Are you referring to me? If so what are you insinuating? [/quote]

Pop, not really specific to you but to this whole stupid notion that you aren't a hunter, your lazy, your use to much technology in hunting, if you like to shoot/kill/aim long range.

Holy crap, on the first day of any rifle season it sounds like a small war zone here in W. PA. While I can't back up this claim, I'm willing to bet a nice chunk of change that the average shot folks are "attempting" are under 150 yards!! No rapid fire when shooting 500 yards.

There is BY FAR MORE IRRESPONSIBLE HUNTERS SHOOTING UNDER 200 YDS THAN THERE ARE OVER 200.

Look, there is no way you can put a ethical or sporting spin on taking a 1500 yard shot at a game animal.
You are correct about the anger. I should chill, I would say it is more disgust.
A 500 yard shot is nothing more than inablility to get closer, and the lack of restraint to wait another day. Or year.
The more I read of what modern hunters feel is sport. The more I realise the Antis will win.

safari,

I'm sure by your post that you are a pefect hunter and have never made a mistake. Sure is a shame to see, that your narrow minded self has no room for teaching new tricks to an old dog.
Sorry to say but long range hunters won't ruin the images of hunting or hunters. Guys like the freak in WI that shot people, yahoo's that shoot at sound and don't identify their target etc. that will ruin hunters images.

get a grip..

Why does it seem as soon as someone questions something, the examend immedietly push the image of purity upon the one questioning.
I would turn the question to you. Why are you so narrow minded as to think others would accept your ideoligy? Why are you so narrow minded as to think you are justified?

Safari-

Sorry, I missed the "1500 yd affair" or whatever it was and can't imagine shooting at game that far either with a hand held weapon.
While I hesitated to post the experience I did just because I didn't want to make people think that's my regular MO, I don't think a ~ 500 yd. shot at a calm, stationary and broadside animal with a large heart-lung target by a practiced rifleman with a good rest is an unethical shot nor a particularly difficult one.

Ah, here's where this spill over to/from the "traditional vs. in-line" ML debate came to and from.

Safari hound

you come up on a thread foaming and frothing at the mouth and giving us a bad time for no reason.

You say we are not skillful and then we prove we are and yet you still continue to foam and froth at the mouth.

Why are you on posting on this thread if all you can do is foam and froth at the mouth?

I realize others aren't always willing to accept what as I do as idealogical. However, blanket statements covering all LRhunters as ruining the image of hunting is a bit beyond the "norm". Especially because ( I am betting here ) You know nothing of how it is done, when it is done correctly.
I am not narrow minded to think I am justified. Let see justified, from the word justify:

to give somebody an acceptable reason for taking a particular action

Because the terrain and conditions did not warrant any other acceptable way of harvesting the animal.

to serve as an acceptable reason or excuse for something

because I was confident and able to do this efficiently and quickly

to give a reason or explanation why something was done

see above...

how's that?

Safari_Hound,

I'll give you my rifle if you can shoot a legal buck on this 80 acre hillside while hunting on that side of the hill, where we sit on the opposite hillside to make our shots. Max range for us will be 559 yards--max range for you 5.5 yds. We will see your skill in the thickets! We will see your skill as a hunter! We will see the blood trail not from an animal but from you bleeding from all the thorns in your legs, arms, ears (my favorite)

Bla-bla-bla

All this talk about hunting in wyoming at high elevation and ruggedness,and need for long range shooting,is a joke. Unlike you rick I'm actually from wyoming not pennsylvania.

I've hunted the North and South Fork numerous times,along with all kinds of other areas in wyoming. The only reason to take a shot over 500 yards(in alot of cases 300 yards),is because to get closer would mean actually hunting the animal. Along with alot of arse breaking effort to cover terrain and run the risk of scaring the animal. This is fully acceptable to the slob that must kill something regardless of possible outcome.

When you're hunting at 9000 feet,most of the hunt is spent getting to that elevation. Most people are burned out by then and the use of long shots on animals, tends to simply matters,that is if they actually connect on the animal with a killing shot.. This is especially true when you're a halfassed outfitter or guide,who is trying to get some east or west coast slob in position for a shot at a game animal. Getting any closer(you know actually hunting) would mean stumbling around,out of breath and whining. The long shot is a band aid in this case.

The only thing that long range shooting of big game animals is,is shooting. Its not hunting,if you were hunting you'd have been closer. I've killed a number of elk,deer and antelope at over 500 yards. I've never been able to confuse this with actual hunting.

Whoa! Reign it in a bit; it's certainly OK to have opinions, even strong ones but not very considerate or polite to criticize by virtue of your generalization above everyone who may not agree with you.

I wouldn't make blanket statements which are judgements about every 300+ yd shot somebody else may choose to make.

Sledder,

I see you think you know me, quit hiding behind that keyboard and let me know who you are...

Never knew it was an issue where we were from... Been here 10 years I think I can speak from experience as far as the hunting here.

You must not have hunted to o far or real hard. I can show you numerous places where "stalking" or as you say "Hunting" would surely get you busted and a long shot might get you the trophy of a lifetime. So I'm not sure of your knowledge of the Northfork and areas above 9000 ft.

I have passed or more then I've killed, so if you are referring to me a s a slob, halfassed outfitter/guide, please let me know who you are and we can meet for a cup of coffee. I'll buy. I think you don't have the guts.


""I've killed a number of elk,deer and antelope at over 500 yards""
Funny how you say it isn't right yet you've done it yourself. I guess you were just in it for to
""kill something regardless of possible outcome.""

Hypocrite...