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John, don't listen to those guys from Oregon, they're kooks, what do they know about the long term effects of drug use.
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I have no problem with pot smokers or legalization. I've worked with a bunch of pot heads over the years with no problem. Some of them were among the best and most productive at their jobs. Those who are stupid and lazy will be that way with or without pot and those who are intelligent, ambitious and talented will be the same with or without.
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The ward with 50 beds across the hall is filled with drunks, that smashed their cars into soccer moms and small children.
Wake up
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Oh, and what do you suppose the people with anxiety get when they go to the ER? Yep, more drugs.
But that's cool cuz smoking MJ is harmless. Doesn't lead to anything else, totally not a gateway drug.
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So, coincidental to this conversation, my kid has to go to the ER last night. Four beds in the same room separated by curtains, so everyone is real close together. You can hear everyone in the room. As the staff was interviewing each of these other three people in the room, ALL three of the other patients admitted to smoking pot. One admitted to heroine and meth use. Anxiety issues, and other general problems, not some specific problem like crashed a motorcycle. Listening to them you could tell their lives were train wrecks, problem after problem. Chronic physical conditions, lifestyle illnesses.
Draw your own conclusions. It's not rocket surgery.
And most likely no insurance so you paid the bill for those three along with your kid.
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I don't buy the gateway drug argument either. I've know way too many who've smoked pot their entire adult lives and never did anything else. The chicken littles on this site are amusing as hell.
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Nah. Mostly small government libertarians.
Recreational drug use is NEVER good for society. Just as in the defense of country against foreign invaders, I think the feds have a vested interest in eliminating drug use for the good of the country. Not alot of drug use in countries where it's treated as a capital crime. Did you forget that alcohol and tobacco are drugs?
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Nah. Mostly small government libertarians.
Recreational drug use is NEVER good for society. Just as in the defense of country against foreign invaders, I think the feds have a vested interest in eliminating drug use for the good of the country. Not alot of drug use in countries where it's treated as a capital crime. Did you forget that alcohol and tobacco are drugs? Nope. They prove my point. Never good for a country.
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Oh, and what do you suppose the people with anxiety get when they go to the ER? Yep, more drugs.
But that's cool cuz smoking MJ is harmless. Doesn't lead to anything else, totally not a gateway drug. No one said it's harmless, no one said it's "healthy"...many people have anxiety and depression issues, it's not weeds fault...it's a medical condition. This thread is about removing it from the Federal Schedule 1 list, not legalizing it's use nation wide. Try to learn some facts, instead of spewing some ridiculous preconceived notions based on a hysteria. It has been proven to have valuable medical benefits, for many people suffering with real problems...and much better than a daily Oxi or anti-depressant pill diet.
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Did you forget that alcohol and tobacco are drugs? You'll never get all the boozers on here to admit to that.
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No one said it's harmless, no one said it's "healthy"...
Really?
It has been proven to have valuable medical benefits, for many people suffering with real problems...and much better than a daily Oxi or anti-depressant pill diet.
And for those people there's the strains that don't get you high but provide the medicinal benefits alone. Am I right?
The whole pot argument isn't about medicinal, it's about getting high and everyone knows it.
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I have read the new strains developed in CA have a lot more of the beneficial properties along with the lack of THC but you have me thinking I should try some hemp oil on my hands and shoulder. It may work. Perhaps just hemp oil and coconut oil mixed. Right now all we have is nsaids for our arthritis as non addicting pain relievers. If you are a chronic arthritis patient on nsaids you may see some cardiac changes. I have been told I have some right heart hypertrophy and HBP that wasn't there 5 years ago. Since about when everything started falling apart. I have considered weed as an alternative pain med but the prohibition in relation to my CCW is the stopper right now.
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No one said it's harmless, no one said it's "healthy"...
Really?
It has been proven to have valuable medical benefits, for many people suffering with real problems...and much better than a daily Oxi or anti-depressant pill diet.
And for those people there's the strains that don't get you high but provide the medicinal benefits alone. Am I right?
The whole pot argument isn't about medicinal, it's about getting high and everyone knows it. I won't vote for legalization until someone admits that when they lobby me about how it fixes everything from pimples to prolapse.
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Nah. Mostly small government libertarians.
Recreational drug use is NEVER good for society. Just as in the defense of country against foreign invaders, I think the feds have a vested interest in eliminating drug use for the good of the country. Not alot of drug use in countries where it's treated as a capital crime. Did you forget that alcohol and tobacco are drugs? Nope. They prove my point. Never good for a country. Then,why not make them illegal too? Did you forget your history and why prohibition isn't a good answer?
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I have read the new strains developed in CA have a lot more of the beneficial properties along with the lack of THC but you have me thinking I should try some hemp oil on my hands and shoulder. It may work. Perhaps just hemp oil and coconut oil mixed. Right now all we have is nsaids for our arthritis as non addicting pain relievers. If you are a chronic arthritis patient on nsaids you may see some cardiac changes. I have been told I have some right heart hypertrophy and HBP that wasn't there 5 years ago. Since about when everything started falling apart. I have considered weed as an alternative pain med but the prohibition in relation to my CCW is the stopper right now. Heavy use of nsaids will destoy your kidneys over time. I have degenerative bone disease in my spine and have used nsaids for years. I can't use them anymore because I've also been diagnosed with kidney disease and my nephrologist says it's most likely the nsaids that caused it.
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No one said it's harmless, no one said it's "healthy"...
Really?
It has been proven to have valuable medical benefits, for many people suffering with real problems...and much better than a daily Oxi or anti-depressant pill diet.
And for those people there's the strains that don't get you high but provide the medicinal benefits alone. Am I right?
The whole pot argument isn't about medicinal, it's about getting high and everyone knows it. And there you are wrong in your assumption, the Feds see no distinction difference between THC or CBD laden weed. What people choose to do with it is none of my business, because it's legal in many states. And alcohol drinkers aren't using it for a buzz ?, right just a cold drink to quench the thirst lol. It's no different in theory than individual states hunting laws, you can use bait & dogs to hunt deer...and I can't. Do I judge your methods of killing deer if it's legal ?...no I don't because it's legal in your state.
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Medicinal use of MJ is where the conversation on it's use needs to start and end. Otherwise, it has no value to society as a whole.
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Medicinal use of MJ is where the conversation on it's use needs to start and end. Otherwise, it has no value to society as a whole. Nice of you to be in control of everyone's freedoms, including the legalized states...you should run for President.
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Medicinal use of MJ is where the conversation on it's use needs to start and end. Otherwise, it has no value to society as a whole. I actually agree with that. I wouldn't argue that we wouldn't be better off without it. The difference between us is however that you seem to think making it illegal causes it to go away.We can't make it go away. What we have to do is decide on the best way to manage it. I'm saying that you can't simply pass a law and stick your head in the sand acting like you solved the problem.
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Medicinal use of MJ is where the conversation on it's use needs to start and end. Otherwise, it has no value to society as a whole. I actually agree with that. I wouldn't argue that we wouldn't be better off without it. The difference between us is however that you seem to think making it illegal causes it to go away.We can't make it go away. What we have to do is decide on the best way to manage it. I'm saying that you can't simply pass a law and stick your head in the sand acting like you solved the problem. Stick my head in the sand? I'm not the one that smoked an ounce a week for ten years. Respectfully.
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