This is worth supporting IMO, get the feds out of state business and save US taxpayers billions of dollars / year....
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Federal: Bill Introduced To End Federal Marijuana Prohibition

Representatives Tom Garrett (R-VA) and Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI) have introduced bipartisan legislation, HR 1227, to exclude marijuana from the Controlled Substances Act, thus leaving states the authority to regulate the plant how best they see fit.

The “Ending Marijuana Prohibition Act of 2017” eliminates federal criminal penalties for possessing and growing the plant. This legislation gives states the power and flexibility to establish their own marijuana policies free from federal interference.

Am I the only one getting sick of smelling all the potheads walking around?

Ten pages easy.

Has been illegal since 1937, would like to see the total $$$ wasted on enforcement..

I'll go make the popcorn.

Stuff is so strong now I smell it coming from autos on the freeway at 70 mph.

I smelled it 30 years ago on the chocolate delivery boy who rear ended my Lincoln Mark IV with his delivery van. "Sorry man" - my shoulder still still hurts because of that dickweed.

Its illegal here, and im sure still would be even if this legislation passed. Id just like to see the feds taken out of the equation and power given back to the states.

At least it might let banks handle some of that 734 trillion dollars in small bills sitting around in pot shops in states where it's legal.

anyone ever seen the Internal Revenue Code.. it has something like 20 plus pages detailing the regulation and taxation of Marijuana.

go to a Federal Depository Library ( for those who know what they are) and one can look that sort of stuff up...

I'm 100% against the legalization of it....and live in an area that there is a sea of it being grown... and see first hand all the social problems it brings into a town, even tho its suppose to be a "victimless crime"......

but hey, even I know I am swimming against the tide...

it'll be legalized everywhere and once it causes enough problems like it does in this town and county, they'll start regulating it once again...

Get it off the Schedule I list so companies can freely research any benefits that may be provided by the dozens of CBD's in Cannabis plants.

I don't get the money and publicity on attacking the "opiod crisis to save a generation" then the next breath talking about legalizing pot.

Once legalized and state legislatures get hold of the tax money I doubt it would be prohibited again.

Not to beat a tired drum but alcohol right now causes far more problems, highway injuries and deaths, broken families and God knows what else than marijuana, and tobacco is killing more people by slow strangulation every year and no one is even remotely thinking of prohibiting those.

The states can regulate it, if they choose. It makes no sense at all for states to make it legal, but the feds to keep it illegal.
If something is "legal", there should be no avenue for prosecution, at the whim of the feds...

This is largely due to its present illegality and the war on drugs.

This says it all: A schedule 1 right next to heroine and opiates is BS, give the power back to the states...let the Feds deal with real problems.

Making weed appear socially acceptable to young children, will cause major problems down the road...but drinking causes more deaths than weed ever will.

except opium and cannabis are different things. Colorado has a big increase in population and a decrease in use of pot by "children". And no I do not nor ever have used.

Please tell me you don't vote.....

Lets start with one being one being one of the most physically addicting substance known to man, and the other one not physically addictive to any significant extent.....

Whats this gooberment do when it can't seem to win a war?

I find that very hard to believe...for very long.

Now that's it's recreational legal and Mom/Dad/Gramps are burning a blunt in the living room daily, that child will be following suit at some point...many studies have been done on smoking/drinking influences of parents on children for years.

Don't engage Seafire on this. He'll go absolutely ballistic.

I have never been personally affected by it, so I don't much care.

My father in law has been personally affected by it and wants continued regulation. He makes some good points.

Without a doubt, like telling Ringman there is no God...

To the original post I think getting the Feds out of it is a great idea separate from any considerations one might have about the drug itself.

In social values areas like this I think the individual states should be the ones to control it or not as they see fit, not the Federal government with its inevitable one size fits all regulations.

Sure. Legalize weed. What the heck, just legalize all the low life habits: weed, heroin, moonshine, whores, incest, beastiality, man-boy love, and all the rest.

Let's just skip the slow slide becoming Europe-2 and go straight to it.

There isn't ?

It's heavily regulated everywhere it is legal.

It does stink. Worse than cigarettes even.

Honestly, the dipschits walking around sucking on their douche flutes smell much worse to me. Smells like vomit and grape soda.

Don't even get me started on cigars......Not many around thankfully

Winning

I would much rather see the sale and distribution of weed, meth, pills, or opiates made a capital offense with summary execution upon conviction.

You can't successfully fight a war without killing a few folks!

The war on drugs has worked out about as well as prohibition in the 20's. I think we would be better off putting $$ in slowing demand on the supply side, because shutting off supply has been a failure.

Fine with me, but shoot all the tobacco users, and alcohol drinkers right along with them. Might as well make church attendance mandatory as well if you really want to get the country in shape.

The problem is that the marijuana industry has convinced (simple minded) people that the drug is benign and even healthy. No one is being brainwashed to think alcohol and tobacco are health enhancement products.

Conservatives only subscribe to the idea of states' rights when it suits them. I'm never not surprised by the big government supporters here that are still fighting the civil war but are too hypocritical to realize the error of their ways when it comes to freedoms. The DEA is the biggest group of drug addicted criminals to ever exist but the truth matters not to the puritans and the temperance society they dream of. Some folks live in a fantasy world and are too dumb to understand the ineffectiveness of prohibition, even when history has proven it doesn't work.

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You must want to read of a cop being killed every hour rather than the rate they are now .
People are going to do what people are going to do no matter what the gov't wants or says .
As they say follow the money -THAT'S why the feds are deep into anything that turns a buck . The war on drugs has grown the govt and wasted hundreds of billions of dollars [your $] to no avail .

Get the federal govenment inline with what the Constitution allows --nothing more ---> yes that's a stupid remark and of coarse it won't happen even 1% .

There ya go.......

Not to mention the unemployability of one on drugs.

Unemployable = no job, no job = unemployment, welfare, and more propensity to get involved in crime to make ends meet.

Damn good road to head down.

democrats wanted it legal so there would be more drug heads. you are easier to control then.

Absolutely. Drugs in general, in fact. No Constitutional authority to be involved in any of it. These are, Constitutionally speaking, strictly state matters.

Marijuana takes away motivation; plenty of that in America now.

Use would likely go down if 100% legalized, since you'd eliminate all motivation to grow it as a large scale crop (other than as hemp) and to market it.

While we're at it, lets nix Sugar.! Nip that Diabetes in the bud..

I'm no fan nor supporter of marijuana in any form.

But, even I have to agree that this seems to be a 10th Amendment thing.

Feds out. State's in.

Nope, smells like skunk ass.

Yep, just what we need, an even dimmer and lazier population.

Wait a minute, Obama smoked week and he held a good job for 8 years

It seems our illustrious prime minister is for legalization so we no doubt will see it sooner rather than later. The next generation (i.e. my kids generation) is mostly for it so it is likely coming, whether I like it or not.
Now, what is acceptable for me to be around is another matter, and an individual choice.
I personally have seen too many people's future "puffed" away to make me believe it is victimless. Those same people may have ultimately ended up on the same self-destructive path without it, perhaps. Smoked it a bit between childhood and becoming an adult (i.e. 17-19) but lost interest soon enough when I started to grow up.

No you are not. I am currently moving because of it. Selling the home and business. I live 3 miles from Seafire and we are in full agreement about what pot does to society.

F potheads and growers, they serve zero useful purpose in society.

If pot is causing you to move and is ruining Seafires life I suggest it's not pot but the way Oregon and your town are handling it. It's legal here and hasn't caused any problems for us locally. We are a bit isolated being on an island but the local pot shop usually has more senior citizens than anyone else. It's located close to the golf course/country club which is 98% old people and those greatest generation folks like the wacky tabacky. Anyone that doesn't believe in therapeutic affects of pot is ignorant and easily ignored. If they're that f'ing stupid they don't get an audience to listen to their ignorance.

I went skiing with my daughter a couple weeks back. Every time we'd take the tram to the top of the mountain the tram reeked of weed. And it wasn't some high school or college kid, it would be some guy in his late 30's or 40's that was a decade or two past growing out of the stoner phase of his life.

My wife works in the legal system and my wife works in the emergency room. There is no bigger lie than private consumption of drugs being a victimless crime. Between the effects to friends and family members, to medical and legal services that have to clean up the mess of these peoples lives I'd venture to say the majority of money spent on social services is directly related to drug abuse.

The big problem around, like everywhere else, isn't the pot smoker it's the drunks and lushes. I worked EMS and ER trauma and can't remember a single call that involved marijuana exclusively. Alcohol is far and away a much bigger problem for families, individuals and society.

Anyone that says alcohol is a victimless activity is a fool. It's by far the most prevalent factor and the biggest thorn in the legal system and medical system. Alcohol's cost to society in money and lives outpaces all drugs combined.

I've never heard of rehab for weed, it's not the gateway drug the Reagan's claimed...Nancy just needed something to keep her away from the horology section.

Honestly, if everyone using Opioids was smoking pot instead, society as a whole would be a lot better. The addiction factor alone drastically increases crime,not even counting the health effects.

Me either. Nor have I heard of ANYONE dying from quitting pot or "overdosing" on weed. Never heard of anyone getting delirium tremors from quitting pot or requiring hospitalization because of quitting. I NEVER responded, in all the years as a FF/EMT, to a single marijuana overdose. Alcohol, coke, lots of heroin and lots of sugar overdoses, plenty of prescription overdoses, tricyclic anti-depressants and paint huffers but not one marijuana OD....EVER! Shoots to hell the bullshit hype the anti-freedom, alcohol lovers try to ignorantly argue as it regards pot. Not one f'ing pot overdose EVER!! Think about that....

Too often it's the same folks that blame marijuana for folks ills, that take exception to others blaming guns for societal problems.


To paraphrase James Carville....It's the people, stupid.

Smoking pot is another of the victimless crimes, unless you live near people smoking it. I sincerely hope the pot apologists here get to deal with it like Seafire and I have.

Not a gateway drug you say? Wow. Won't even touch that one. You are seriously deluded if you think the pot smoking lifestyle doesn't have serious and long term baggage attached to it.


The sheit is nasty, plain and simple. It's a cancer on decent society.

[quote=MadMooner]Too often it's the same folks that blame marijuana for folks ills, that take exception to others blaming guns for societal problems.[quote]

I know! Their hypocrisy is not just blind stupidity, it's dangerous and counterproductive to the goal of freedom under the Constitution. F'ck the idiots.

A permanent form of altering the mind would be a lobotomy. Just saying.

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Pretty much the same attitude as the gun haters that think they will just outlaw guns and get rid of them. You can't get rid of pot anymore than you can get rid of guns.

If it saves just one life.....

Big government, anti-Constitution imbeciles that need laws to keep them safe make me sick.

Obesity is a far greater issue.

I smoked it for 10 years,about an ounce a week. I worked 6 days a week and didn't take any other drugs,including alcohol,or tobacco.I quit and haven't smoked any in 19 years. I didn't quit because it was destroying my life though. I quit because I didn't want to lie about it and I didn't want to be judged by people who didn't smoke it.

I realize I'm debating pot use with children of the 60's. I won't hold my breath for a wave of support for my position. LOL.

Toke out bruthas!

My take on weed:

WTF? You think I'm an old man?

Pot makes you stupid and lazy. Perfect for growing the number of Democrat voters.
About the only thing I can say positive about weed is, a stoned person is less annoying than a drunk.
Legalize weed, but require a piss test for welfare-state beneficiaries.

Damn!

There are morons that smoke weed, and morons that drink too...guess what ?, they were morons before they consumed anything in their bodies. Some drugs including alcohol are addictive and destroy lives, even kill people...but much of the studies done on weed today include many positive attributes to helping cancer victims and other diseases.

The false information handed out to the public for years has been proven false by doctors and studies, most of our medicines today come from natural derivatives...found in nature. Sure there are azzwipes claiming med cards for getting stoned, of course the medical system is abused in legal states...but that's happened for years with legal prescriptions and booze for decades, and nobody gives a flying chit.

If it's legal I don't care what anybody does with their time or hobbies, it's none of my concern...freedom is what we all strive.

I'm just telling you that do nothing drugs heads,smoking pot and doing anything else they can get a hold of are what they are because of their raising more than because of their pot use.

I knew lots of upstanding people in the community including professionals who would smoke a little pot in the evening to relax,just like someone would take a drink. The difference between that and smoking or drinking all day to escape life is the person more than the drug.

Yea, it was $100 an ounce back then and I hear not nearly as powerful as what is sold today.

No kidding. Somewhere there's a plaque in Cartel land commemorating the sudden disappearance of one of their best customers...

I agree, know many professionals with familys and happy lives..solid members of the community that partake, it's their life and it's better than booze.

And I wasn't kidding about Obama, hate him or not he was an admitted smoker than gained a higher position in life than anyone on the forum.

Take a look at Oregon's "drug problem". They've got Rampant Heroin and Opioid abuse, I doubt much of Portland's problems stem from "potheads".

Does anyone really think pot being illegal keeps anyone from getting it? I have never bought any but would bet large sums of money that I could get some in 30 minutes or less. If you can not keep people from getting it, all you are doing is funding drug gangs by keeping it illegal. Make it legal and tax it, just like alcohol.

That's funny guys,but don't forget I haven't smoked any at all in 19 years. I just told that about myself to show that I might know a little bit about what pot use does to people.

I for one am 100% for medical
But I am Against the idiots that just want to escape their so called problems and then get on welfare because they can not get a job smokin the crap.

Oh surely you jest. Pot smokers are very productive citizens!

Ain't no way around the fact dope smells like shat.

Which is why dopers are their own worst enemy, legalization-wise.

Be much more likely to be accepted in society, did they exercise a little more hygiene.

But ya can't effectively criminalize that, unfortunately.

Legalize dope, but under the same restrictions as alky.

Can't walk down the street dopin everbody else out, less there's a special zone, with signage, hopefully.

Dope in your house. I got no answer yet for apartments, but am leanin towards not, cause that'd inspire dopers to get single family.

Can't dope in your car.

Make the stuff much more accepted if ya did that.

What about all the fat fuggers who can't get a job because of McDonald's? Where do they fit in?

Some can handle smoking weed, most can not. I worked a lot men in my life and most of the weed smokers needed fired the first day. I did not have that option. Hard to document enough to get them fired where I worked, but most transferred after a while. They did not seem to like me very much. I did have a couple that could smoke after work hours and come to work the next day and do a good job, but they were in the minority. The others were lazy and usually trying to sneak a smoke in during work hours. You could smell them after a bathroom break, and their actions were screwed up too. I don't think it is a good idea to legalize recreational weed without an easy way to test for being stoned during the work hour. If legal, nighttime use would show up, unless company policy had a no tolerance at any time. Would make it harder to enforce and I figure in time the policy would change leaving stoned workers building things and getting hurt on the job. miles

Make it legal to anyone and sell it like cigarettes. Take all those welfare druggies and put them on pot farms working growing it. Give them work bonuses in product and you will likely have more applicants than you can handle.They will pay for their own keep and even make a profit for the state. Sell it to other countries and you could likely wipe out unemployment altogether.

Booze should not be taxed, just like legal weed should not be taxed.

Just stop spending money on it.

If you want to smoke weed....personal freedom and all that....an employer should have the right not to hire you.

I don't know exactly how you would test it except that you can tell when someone is stoned just like you can tell when they are drunk. Both need to be treated the same in the work place as well as driving and such.

One might be surprised by how many of their workers smoke pot. Losers that need fired that first day are likely losers irregardless of their off duty hobbies. I've known doctors and surgeons, cops and judges that smoked pot on their own time and no matter how perceptive you guys think you are you'd never know it unless they told you. The alcoholics can always be spotted but the pot smoker not so much. It's just much easier to blame pot, like guns, for the actions of idiots. The fact that a new guy tells his boss that he smokes weed proves he's a few bricks shy of a full load. It's none of the boss's business what a guy does when he's not on the clock.

The DEA classifies Everything in Genus Cannabis as a Schedule 1. This includes Marijuana and Hemp. Take the psyo-active THC out of MJ and Hemp and you have dozens if not hundreds of other compounds that may be useful to science and medicine.

Currently, adequate research [b][color:#3333FF]cannot be completed[/color][/b], because legal Cannabis supplies are heavily restricted by the National Institute on Drug Abuse, since Cannabis is a Schedule 1.

"Clinical researchers can get permission from the DEA to grow or create restricted compounds like LSD, MDMA or psilocybin in the lab; not so with cannabis."

Re-scheduling Cannabis will allow proper medical research to begin on the true medicinal aspects of Genus Cannabis.

I think that point is being lost in the rush to beat up on the "pot-heads". Regardless those who smoke it will continue to smoke it whether it's re-scheduled or not.

I'm not going to use it. But it isn't any worse than alcohol and passing the 18th amendment did more harm to this country than any other single act. Except for possibly the war on drugs.

Look at the states that have legalized it. Pot use has increased significantly.

One of the reasons you see more problems with alcohol is that you can pick it up at just about any grocery store, gas station, restaurant, quicky mart, etc.

You think if weed was just as easily obtained there would be no increase in use???

I don't see the argument of stoners that they aren't as bad as drunks as being a badge of honor, but to each their own.

AND....the government DOES NOT need to have ventured into the health business! This all came about at the insistence of the three time loser.....HILLARY BITCH!!

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FDA calls it a Class 1 drug meaning it has NO medical use. Pure BS. I would not smoke it even if it was free and legal but I would use some of the new strains than have little or no THC. Topical lotions do wonders for things like arthritis. I could use a little less pain without the normal drugs side affects. I know a woman who has worked hard all her 70 years and her hands look like claws. She uses a cream and has a normal pain free life. I could use the same cream but I will not lie on a federal form.

None of the pot growers give a sheit about medicinal use. These guys are growing for recreational market.

Not true my friend. While I agree most grow to sell for those who want the high there is a growing number growing for medical use and some newer strains that have little to no THC is proof. They would not put effort into the no TCH strains if they were selling to pot heads.

If they wanted to do that, they'd be growin hemp.

An awful lot of holier than thou's saying "My drugs of choice (tobacco, booze, prescription and over the counter drugs) are just fine and do no one any harm, but all you others are F'd up."

Jesus turned water to wine, not pot.

Not the same by a long way.

That's because he was out of rollin papers..

You are correct.

Hemp has way less THC, and way more CBDs, which are alleged to be the substance with the medical uses.

I have read the new strains developed in CA have a lot more of the beneficial properties along with the lack of THC but you have me thinking I should try some hemp oil on my hands and shoulder. It may work. Perhaps just hemp oil and coconut oil mixed.

Trump will veto. Pot is a drug.

I was just relating my experiences working men for 30 years. Take it or leave it. miles

Lots of talk about fed involvement. Don't need any feds. Do it on the state level.

Every jackwad standing on a corner with a pocket full of dope gets a ride on the needle.

The real problem is our youth are easily seduced by the drug culture. They (many of them, thank God i was able to keep my kids, and so far, grandkids clear of that path) often see no downside to experimenting with dope, or even selling a bit for a quick profit. Then they are in "the life" and often "the system".

If they could start hearing in the third grade about how Little Susie's big brother or Jimmy's daddy just got executed for selling a bit of meth or weed.......Well that schitt would not seem so harmless after all.

Then you would see the market start to dry up.

Mr.T will veto, and has already said he's going after the recreation legal states...meds fine tho. The police state will pushed along with LEO,TSA, Border patrol, military, etc...

All this may well be true. On the other hand, how many good students flunked out of college after they discovered weed. How many daily smokers of weed make it to work on time every day.

Do you want your bus driver, your airline pilot, or your child's school bus driver huffing down a fattie before slides into the driver's seat.

This nation does have a serious problem with alcoholism. So, instead of adressing this problem, we should introduce another problem just as devestating to society?

I tried some of that cream. Couldn't tell that it helped a bit.

God, just imagine how much more you could have accomplished in your life without the deleterious effects of that nasty weed for ten years!

There's a thousand different creams put out by a thousand different companies. Some companies are in it for a quick buck due to the Cannabis craze, some companies are in it to produce medicinal products.

Lots of research has to be done to weed out the good from the bad. You may have got ahold of some fake cream or it may have truly had no effect on you. All people react differently.

1.You may be the dumbest corksoaker in the history of mankind as indicated by your post.

2. Apparently ff/emt s and ER workers in your area don't get drug tested.

3.It is Delirium Tremens not tremors Mr. ff/emt/ER guy, see #2 above.

4.Eatadik



mike r

I know some of you guys are older and view pot as the devil but I can tell you that after more than 20 years of responding to 911 calls I cannot recall a single call that was directly related to marijuana. On the flip side I cannot possibly count the # of calls related to alcohol use. From Domestic violence, child abuse, assaults, motor vehicle accidents, suicides, etc. Most of the horrific calls in my mental database are directly related to alcohol abuse. I cant for the life of me understand why someone would condone alcohol consumption and in the same sentence demonize marijuana use. Makes no sense to me. I say let they states decide and remove it from the schedule 1 list.

No, I believe it's a State issue(just like legal drinking age)...and the Feds should deal with real problems, they have enough of them.

Based on national statistics there are many members here that have a loved one that's an addict, or may even be an addict themselves. Most are innocent victims that were hurt in accidents or had surgery, and were dealing with major pain daily. Their "pusher" was a doctor that prescribed the meds, and told them you can't get addicted to prescription drugs. When those legal drugs could no longer be gotten after their pain issues subsided, the only choice was heroin and street opiates...they are victims, not just junkies. They are young and old, just like you and I...regular normal people that were thrown in a blender, because they trusted the medical establishment.

I personally do not care what others do or believe until it has a negative consequence for me and mine. Alcohol and other recreational substances have historically been much more damaging to society than pot.

However, anyone who advocates for any non-medical drug use can probably explain how to pick up a turd from the clean end.


mike r

I just saw on TV that more people die from drug overdose in the US than alcohol related deaths,,,and weed for those that smoke it, are far safer than the heroine addicts that got hooked by doctors from "legal" Oxi.

Try working with them.

It's one of those gray area liberty topics where one person exercises their "right" to smoke, but everyone around them, whether they like it or not, has zero right to NOT breath it, and must leave the area. I would have no problem with people smoking pot in their own home if they want, but when the force everyone around them to participate, that's not cool.

Not debating the crime related experience you mention but there is a fundamental difference between the two when it comes to people around the person. If I am an alcoholic or just prefer not to drink, I can sit at a table right next to you drinking a beer and I am not forced to drink. On the other hand, if I'm sitting next to someone smoking weed, I have zero choice but to breath it too, whether I like it or not.

There are consumables now with pre-measured THC doses, nobody has to "smoke" pot unless they want to. So the smoke and smell don't have to be an issue.

Do you want your bus driver, airline pilot, or your child's school bus driver drinking a 1/2-pint of hard liquor or doing a bunch of prescription drugs before sliding into the driver's seat? Alcohol and prescription drugs are both legal.

Get real!

If they were to do any of that the night before, but showed up for work sober and alert, what would you object to then?

Don't forget the twinkies and ho-ho's.

News Flash....they already are.

Yeah, this country has a destabilizing drug use problem because of the medical profession. The docs, and cops are the problem not the lazy, ignorant and criminal people that embrace the thug/drug culture and abdicate personal responsibility. The Man be keeping you down.


mike r

I'm not debating permissive usage in public, I'm merely saying that it should be removed from the schedule 1 drugs list and let the states determine what their people want.

1. Your homo-erotic tendencies and fantasies are lost on me, I'm straight.

2. Nope

3. Thanks, spell check and I didn't catch it.

4. See #1 homo.

5. Your frustration at not getting a mustache ride from your partner is dripping from your posts.

6. See #1 homo.

7. The post you quoted there Mr. Vegas is the wrong post. Way to go smart Mikey.lolol

What you guys don't seem to grasp is that you aren't introducing anything. It's already been introduced a long long time ago. The question now is how are you going to control it.

I won't sit here are argue that any recreational drug is 100% beneficial.We would be better off as a society without any recreational drugs, but of every recreational drug used by man pot is likely the least harmful with the most potential benefits. The war against it hasn't done anything except harm to it's victims. It's only made more profit for the criminal element.

Pot is already in society.Just like guns,you can't put the genie back in the bottle. The question is how do you make it so that it causes the least harm and does the most good.

You repeatedly prove # 1, thanks for playing.


mike r

I used the cream on a broken leg and 4 broken ribs. Separate occasions. Recovery time was way quicker. Couldn't push on my leg and find the break after a month. Rode some long days after a month with absolutely no pain from the ribs.
Some of these guys are right. It is not possible to OD on pot. You just go to sleep.

My pleasure mustache Mike.

Ain't it time for a Claude Dallas spankathon?

If you both sat down and smoked a joint there would be no argument.

Any more Twinkies in that box?

Make it a legal garden herb, legalize pharmaceutical derivitives, but no recreational commercialization. Smoke it if you grow it, take it if it's healing, but don't let it become the next pack of Luckies from BIG TOBACCO. It ain't going away. And if it was as bad as Reefer Madness would have you believe you wouldn't be able to drive to Walmart for all the corpses in the road. It can be detrimental to ambition and make you comsume mass quantities of bulk food items, but it ain't rat poison.

Having worked with druggies (heroin),stoners.and alky's - if you show up on my job site "under the influence" - one, or both, of us will soon be job hunting.
I've spent much of my life working in somewhat hazardous conditions, and won't accept the additional danger of an impaired co-worker.

I've been trying to be nice to you but you keep poking. I know you enjoy getting a rise out me but I promised myself that I wouldn't make fun of retards in 2017, you make it tough. Tomorrow is Claude's birthday, wanna get a drink and chit chat buddy? We can talk about what a POS Pogue was and why girls like mustache Mike give cops a bad name. We could reminisce about how old ol'Bill would be if he wasn't such a bully with a badge, at least now he's finally useful to worms. 😉

I'm just wondering where someone would go by choice to sit down next to someone smoking weed? Can't smoke cigarettes in any restaurant, bar, park here and several cities (including Corvallis) have made it pretty much illegal to smoke anywhere other than private property.

I've gone to houses where people were smoking weed but have yet in over three years to experience anyone smoking weed outside in a public setting, but I don't go to Burning Man, etc. either.

State issue.

Probably will be legalized first in the states that went the hardest after tobacco way back when.

Odd that pot (which can be more carcinogenic than tobacco), is considered a naturally occuring medicinal herb and a wonder drug, while tobacco sprung up from the halls of hell just to kill everyone....

...because drinking is legal...and weed is not. Wait until it is leagal, your analysis is apt to change.

Legalizing this BS is just more of the liberal war on this country and values. The states that legalize will probably start realizing the folly of it and can't wait to make it a national folly and thereby avoiding the ramifications of their actions.

The Affordable care act was already adopted in some form in several states prior to it national "adoption" for the same reason. I say let them live with their stupidity for a while.

Then we could see the final results.

Good luck and shoot straight all.

Bob

Cmon, get this sum bi tch to ten pages

Bob, you're fighting an uphill battle with this crowd. Seems to be a lot of current or ex junkies on here.

Nah. Mostly small government libertarians.

Recreational drug use is NEVER good for society. Just as in the defense of country against foreign invaders, I think the feds have a vested interest in eliminating drug use for the good of the country.

Not alot of drug use in countries where it's treated as a capital crime.

Lol. Not a lot of freedom either.

Not alot of countries with our Constitution might explain that.

That I can agree with!

America seemed to do pretty good before all these substances were prohibited, and progressively worse since outlawed.
Gotta be some reason for that.
Seems prohibition made booze a bigger problem than before it was illegal.

Some lessons society never learns.

Look at the difference leadership has made in the last few weeks. People respond to logical leadership. Think back about the unification in the fight against the axis powers in WWII. If we had great leadership against drug abuse it would trickle all the way down.

The use of the mind altering drugs creates the problems, not the prohibition of them. Prohibition does nothing one way or the other, it's the lack of enforcement of that prohibition that sends the message that it's ok to abuse them.

I'm going to take a WAG that some painful punishment would go a long way to stemming recreational drug abuse. I'm thinking caning in the public square.

Blind leading the blind

Defeatist or drug abuser?

Outlawing drugs to stop people doing drugs and being idiots is about like outlawing guns to stop crime.
Real simple truth is, it doesn't work.
It just creates a black market that enhances the problem.
History show us that, yet society remains blind to the truth.
More proof that propaganda works on the masses.

You really need to quit watching those Mod Squad reruns , the only junkies here are on legal pills from their doctors.

I think the Feds should outlaw all drugs. No prescriptions, no healthy herbs, no aspirin, no alcohol, no tobacco, no coffee, no nothing. Anyone caught with any drug of any kind executed on the spot. Congress not exempt.

I recently saw a clip about using ecstasy for treating returning vets suffering from PTSD. MDMA was developed for psychiatric use but because people liked the feeling and it worked the government outlawed it. Now it's being therapeutically used with tremendous success.

I live in a county, that doesn't allow pot sales. In a state where it is legal! People can grow their own. I see no difference today than before it was legal! I do believe this should be a states right issue! I know what part of southern Oregon fireball lives in, that area has been flooded by druggies since the 60's! I understand the attitude of hate toward drug use! Drugs [bleep] up many families! That said smoking pot is not the problem! Nor is legal use of pot the problem! Meth is the biggest problem, followed by opiates, both prescription and street! Another issue in that area is lack of jobs! As far as pot workers not being productive, that's just another fairy tale! Many recreational users work and run successful businesses! The individual needs to make a decision! Smoke and not work or not smoke and work! They can't have it both ways when working for the man! I tested my employees before I retired, sometimes I would go through 10 or more applicants before one would pass! I know I missed some good talent because they couldn't pass, but that was their choice! I guess smoken if ya gotem! I'll watch!

Good post Heym.

Some people just live in the ghetto. Nobody that lives in the ghetto really likes living in the ghetto but they stay there, for whatever reason. There'll always be ghettos and they'll always have unhappy people living there. It's just the way it is.

Doncha mean, Good post Heym!

I mean! Really!

Give the man some credit!

X point! Is hard ta reach!

I think it's more than just pot! I read the papers from your area a couple times a week! Regardless of what someone is arrested for 50% or more also have a meth charge! The same thing is happening in my area! Not only a meth charge but repeat offender's. I don't care too much about the legal pot, but I wish the state would address the light punishment applied to meth! Our laws are way to lenient regarding meth!!!

Lol, you think they're lenient on meth now, just wait until they make personal use amounts a misdemeanor. Its coming to Oregon as we speak.

If we really wanted to thin the herd we'd legalize it all. Manufacture and sell through the state. It would control cleanliness and speed up OD deaths. It sounds callous but we'd reach an equilibrium in a couple generations and probably see a substantial reduction in use, legal and illegal use with today's numbers, within 50 years. It's hardly appealing (hard drugs) when you watch a friend or loved one die from addiction. Death is always prematurely inevitable for an addict.

I hope they make it illegal again. I preferred being an outlaw. Go Sessions! Unless he's recused himself from that too? Fuggin government can't even kick a buncha pothead ass. Pathetic.

Weed is legal in AK and the last time I checked (just now), the sky hadn't fallen.

I'm happy it's one less thing I have to deal with.

I'm in LE and my experience mirrors your's.

I've never had a stoner pull a weapon, or get violent with me. At the worst it's been a weird conversation.

I can't count the number of drunks I've had to physically hurt before we were on the same sheet of music. The vast majority of my cases of crimes against persons have alcohol involvement.

George W. Bush did coke and drank like Cooter Brown. Look where it got him.

False argument. It's already illegal to operate planes, trains and automobiles while impaired. Legalizing a new intoxicant doesn't make it legal to operate plane trains and automobiles under the influence.

Everybody get high!!!🔥🔥🔥🔥

You think the ferals give a schitt about the good of the country? Amusing.

Maybe we should try and prohibit human nature since that seems to be the root of the problem.

You do realize that you can change the settings as to how many post per page, don't you? If not you might want to pass the reefer on along and not hog it. miles

Ain't that what all laws are about? Even the 10 commandments. miles

Yep.

Pretty much the reasons laws and penalties and age designations exist.

There are plenty of statistics on the use of pot and increased risks of Alzheimer's also advancing cases of it with medical use.

The Europeans have had plenty of success with legalizing drugs in various forms. Now they just take the money they spent on Law enforcement and spend it on other issues. For instance making drugs a mental health problem.

Either way we lose. There is no hope in DOPE.

Good luck all.

Bob

Oh no, it'll be our salvation, if only the feds would legalize it!


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TEN! and nobody has learned anything or changed their mind.

Yep, the people want their mind altering substances.

I personally don't care if it's legalized or not, but the local State should be making the decision...and the Feds stick with national/world affairs.

My points were to help enlighten the group to the facts, that weed isn't on the same level as heroin/opiates/alcohol...and additional research needs done to gain the benefits for treating some debilitating diseases.

We are going to be a nation of useless pot smoking gamers.

as I have said before, I favor legalizing any and all pot, meth, cocaine, heroin............you have it, you can use it.
The only caveats would be to tax it to the extent thats possible, and if there is a medical problem, you are on your own. No government intervention or rescue.

So, coincidental to this conversation, my kid has to go to the ER last night. Four beds in the same room separated by curtains, so everyone is real close together. You can hear everyone in the room. As the staff was interviewing each of these other three people in the room, ALL three of the other patients admitted to smoking pot. One admitted to heroine and meth use. Anxiety issues, and other general problems, not some specific problem like crashed a motorcycle. Listening to them you could tell their lives were train wrecks, problem after problem. Chronic physical conditions, lifestyle illnesses.

Draw your own conclusions. It's not rocket surgery.

I kind of feel the same way, but no tax.

a couple of guys who I've known since they were Scouts in our Troop ( both became Eagle Scouts), are nurses in the ER at Three Rivers, on the night shift...

The stories I hear them tell sometimes when I ask about their jobs, when I run into them at the hospital, when I'm stopping by the office my wife works in.....

if those think it is a harmless drug... drop by an ER's waiting room....and just see what you can see first hand...

John, don't listen to those guys from Oregon, they're kooks, what do they know about the long term effects of drug use.

I have no problem with pot smokers or legalization. I've worked with a bunch of pot heads over the years with no problem. Some of them were among the best and most productive at their jobs. Those who are stupid and lazy will be that way with or without pot and those who are intelligent, ambitious and talented will be the same with or without.

The ward with 50 beds across the hall is filled with drunks, that smashed their cars into soccer moms and small children.

Wake up

Oh, and what do you suppose the people with anxiety get when they go to the ER? Yep, more drugs.

But that's cool cuz smoking MJ is harmless. Doesn't lead to anything else, totally not a gateway drug.

And most likely no insurance so you paid the bill for those three along with your kid.

I don't buy the gateway drug argument either. I've know way too many who've smoked pot their entire adult lives and never did anything else. The chicken littles on this site are amusing as hell.

Did you forget that alcohol and tobacco are drugs?

Nope. They prove my point. Never good for a country.

No one said it's harmless, no one said it's "healthy"...many people have anxiety and depression issues, it's not weeds fault...it's a medical condition. This thread is about removing it from the Federal Schedule 1 list, not legalizing it's use nation wide.

Try to learn some facts, instead of spewing some ridiculous preconceived notions based on a hysteria. It has been proven to have valuable medical benefits, for many people suffering with real problems...and much better than a daily Oxi or anti-depressant pill diet.

You'll never get all the boozers on here to admit to that.

The whole pot argument isn't about medicinal, it's about getting high and everyone knows it.

Right now all we have is nsaids for our arthritis as non addicting pain relievers. If you are a chronic arthritis patient on nsaids you may see some cardiac changes. I have been told I have some right heart hypertrophy and HBP that wasn't there 5 years ago. Since about when everything started falling apart. I have considered weed as an alternative pain med but the prohibition in relation to my CCW is the stopper right now.

I won't vote for legalization until someone admits that when they lobby me about how it fixes everything from pimples to prolapse.

Then,why not make them illegal too? Did you forget your history and why prohibition isn't a good answer?

Heavy use of nsaids will destoy your kidneys over time. I have degenerative bone disease in my spine and have used nsaids for years. I can't use them anymore because I've also been diagnosed with kidney disease and my nephrologist says it's most likely the nsaids that caused it.

And there you are wrong in your assumption, the Feds see no distinction difference between THC or CBD laden weed. What people choose to do with it is none of my business, because it's legal in many states. And alcohol drinkers aren't using it for a buzz ?, right just a cold drink to quench the thirst lol.

It's no different in theory than individual states hunting laws, you can use bait & dogs to hunt deer...and I can't. Do I judge your methods of killing deer if it's legal ?...no I don't because it's legal in your state.

Medicinal use of MJ is where the conversation on it's use needs to start and end. Otherwise, it has no value to society as a whole.

Nice of you to be in control of everyone's freedoms, including the legalized states...you should run for President.

I actually agree with that. I wouldn't argue that we wouldn't be better off without it. The difference between us is however that you seem to think making it illegal causes it to go away.We can't make it go away. What we have to do is decide on the best way to manage it. I'm saying that you can't simply pass a law and stick your head in the sand acting like you solved the problem.

Stick my head in the sand? I'm not the one that smoked an ounce a week for ten years. Respectfully.

Nice of pot consumers and growers to impose their lifestyle choices and it's resultant problems on the rest of society. Oh, I forgot, pot use is a victimless crime. Silly me.

Pot causes anxiety & depression. You can see it's acute form when someone is post-high or, as they say, "burnt out". Eventually that condition becomes chronic.



I support developing useful meds from it.

Man, I love talking to cops, firemen and medical pros - they have the best stories!

I've never seen pot cause anxiety and depression. Burnouts are the most laid back, don't get upset at anything folks I've ever known.

Hard on the liver too, right? My sisters gut is shot from nsaids too, she can't take them. A co-worker was confronted by a work comp doc about his heart and HBP and the fact that Jim looked like he was made of barbed wire wrapped in rawhide and assumed he was a tweaker. His burned out gut made him lose weight too. He went round and round with the doc until he mentioned otc nsaids he ate like m&ms. The doc was offering full confidentiality to get him in rehab. Nasty stuff them nsaids.

The ONLY way this will happen is if Cannabis is taken off the Schedule I drug list. Until then, no research will be done..

That's really the conversation - where do you want the control to be? At the federal, state or local level?

Does someone like a nationwide education policy? How about regulating homosexual marriage at the federal level so every state has to accept the will of Washington in that matter? Or would you rather have those decisions at the state level?

If California wants to let folks smoke dope while two men who identify as women engage in transgendered lesbian sex in the girls bathroom, that's for Californians to decide. If folks in Nebraska or Idaho or Michigan don't like that, why should they have to put up with it?

The red herring that always gets caught in these arguments is whether pot is good or bad or indifferent. We have these threads over and over and the same players post the same things, no one ever changes their opinion. But if you hate it or not, why let the federal government make a one size fits all policy toward it?

Why not let the residents of a state decide for themselves on each and every one of these social issues? There are still dry counties in the country where the sale of alcohol is banned, in other places it's allowed under different circumstances. In Idaho only state liquor stores can sell hard liquor, in Florida private stores are licensed to sell it.

Oregon allows the sale of recreational marijuana but allowed counties to opt out, that's why you see tons of pot shops in Western Oregon but Malheur county in very conservative Eastern Oregon has none. Bravo! They let the folks make the decision at the most local level possible.

Each state decided these social issues for themselves - pot or alcohol- and if they want to change it they can do so at the state level, and if the states are smart and it's feasible they delegate that decision down to an even more local level.


Just get the damn federal government out of these social issues. In fact get the damn federal government out of everything except those things that is beyond the power of individual states to effectively control, like national defense or interstate highways.


There will always be people who f*ck up their lives.
There will always be people who allow their irresponsibility to harm others.
And there will always be people who want more and more government - but ONLY when it controls all of those other irresponsible ass holes - leave MY liberty alone, thank you very much.


The government that governs least governs best.

Your lack of the ability to stay focused on the facts, and stay on point with the subject....clearly suggests you're smoking a "fattie".

You are hopelessly lost in your own delusion, there is seriously something wrong with your mental capacity.

For the 10th time, it's LEGAL in 28 states including DC...take it up with your local congressman.

Jim gets it, bravo Sir

Really great Christian attitude there wanting to judge me by something you know I said I quit over 19 years ago. Nothing respectful about that.

The sticking your head in the sand is your thinking the problem is fixed because you make it illegal,but you already know that. You don't have a good argument so you resorted to questioning my character. I really expected better from you.

What I'd like to see is some incentive for people not to abuse drugs of any kind, some creative incentive. I'll throw some wild ass sheit out as an example, possibly a poor example, but you get the idea.

Real punishment for repeat offenders that damage society. Actual restitution, not $ paid to the govt but work and effort paid back to society, preferably in drug use prevention and reparations. Scrubbing graffiti off of walls, lecturing kids in school about the damage drugs do in society, working at charities like community gardens.

Work programs that hurt, busting rocks into gravel with a sledgehammer. Cutting firewood for elderly people. Building trails. Cleaning ditches, developing wetlands projects, reforestation after a fire, maintaining public buildings and grounds to save taxpayer dollars.

Education on the effects of drug use. Classroom time. Photos of carnage caused by drug use. Hundreds of hours of it so it sinks in.

Public caning for chronic offenders. Pain is a fantastic teacher.

Going the other way, how about incentives to stay clean? What if there were advantages for testing negative for chronic abusers?

Tax incentives, education incentives, home loan incentives, car loan incentives, I don't know, use your imagination. If drug abusers are going to cost us X amount of dollars for their abuse of chemicals, invest a portion of that into cleaning them up. Give them a reason to stay clean, as many reasons as imagination can come up with. Doesn't have to be money. Lots of ways to reward people for positive behavior.


but instead, with leadership like O gave us, he condoned bad behavior and encouraged unhealthy lifestyles. it starts from the top. We need anti-drug leadership and unyielding standards for society that take us BACK, yes back, to a time when people acknowledged some behaviors are harmful and shouldn't be encouraged.

What we've got in America is a society that has grown accustomed to destructive behavior with not enough negative consequences for it. Whether it's crime or drug use, there should be strong incentive to maintain a healthy lifestyle and make good choices.

What's sad is it's gone on so long now we find ourselves in a position where the people no longer police themselves and make healthy choices, but the govt needs to step in and say, "ENOUGH!".

On the subject of pot heads, they are worthless chits on the jobsite... now meth heads, them sum'bitchs will go gang busters until they drop, if you can keep them in the right direction.

I'm sure pot heads make good MBAs and such.

Kent

I agree, some peoples only form of retort is to insult your wife & kick your dog...followed by a vile rant of vulgarity only used as a diversionary tactic for lack of logic.

Admit it, you've been meeting with Putin too...OMG

Did you notice the "respectfully"? Not trying to cut you down, but be frank, why did you smoke that much pot for ten years? Isn't it an escape mechanism?

Puppets don't impress me. Why hide?

Who's the character assassin here?

You got your 10 pages. I'm not going to argue anymore with potheads, ex-potheads, pot apologists, societal anarchists, children of the 60's, any of it.

*OK, a little more...

It's for sale in Huntington, so the net says

https://headshopfinder.com/head-shops-in-huntington-or.php

Product and prices

https://weedmaps.com/dispensaries/hotbox-farms

More delusional insults and twisted lies, hurry up the Andy Griffith show starts in 10 minutes.

Yes,it's an escape mechanism. I've already agreed with you that everyone who recreationally uses pot would be better off without it,just like people who use alcohol and tobacco would be better off without it. That's not the question that needs to be answered though. I've repeatedly said,and you know it's true that we aren't going to be able to get rid of it or stop people from using it by making it illegal.The question then becomes how do you manage it so that it does the least amount of harm and the most good. Until you are ready to have that conversation,then you really are sticking your head in the sand,respectfully.

Yeah, he can't focus on the facts, can't even conceive that Cannabis might have medicinal uses. Something went on behind the scenes once upon a time that made Fireball hate MJ users. Pothead stole his girlfried in HS? Couldn't be a "popular kid" cause he didn't smoke? You can bet something damaged his psyche..

I don't much care anymore, provided they come up with a reliable test for determining the level of "intoxication" so employers and accident victims have some basis to protect themselves and recover damages from miscreants.

You're operating under the false assumption that MJ use is in some way harmful. Drug abuse is a victimless crime, I read that here.

Do you want users of alcohol and tobacco beaten and put to hard labor too or does that just apply to the drugs you deem bad? I don't think I want to live in that society. It sounds way too much like N Korea to me.

Instead I would rather see pot sold and regulated like alcohol and the money used to treat the problem rather than punish the symptom.The problem is the reason people want to escape their life through the symptom of drug abuse.

Oh, man! Kewl! I thought I had to drive all the way to Bend or somewhere to get it.

Thanks! I'll be back in a while, or not...


Seriously, I had read that a pot shop opened in Baker County, probably in the Idaho Statesman. At that time that was the first and only one on this side of the state so prices were high and quality was low, and Idaho state troopers were hanging out in unmarked cars watching for people with Idaho plates going into the store, then they follow them back across the Idaho state line to bust them. From your link I see three of them opened up so I wonder if the Idaho cops are trying to cover all three or just grab a random sampling from each.

Oh, well, I'll just keep making the drive to Bend, I know some cool dudes there who will let me shoot it up and crash at their drug pad...

You raise some hard questions. Agreed, the abuse of these chemicals one and all due to the escape from life is the root. And just like raising kids, when they can't see the way to doing what's right, they need to be "incentivized" to find their way. That can be done though negative or positive reinforcement, which is exactly what I think responsible leadership should be doing to disincentivize drug abuse and incentivize responsible living.

Let's put distillers, brewers, wine producers, and those employed in the tobacco industry in that group, too.
Also porn makers and all those associated with that industry as well. Then there are the candy makers.

Doin' good never stops, does it, as hatreds grow and grow. Before long we'll all be muslims, or a version thereof. That's how they roll.

Not that the govt should be the solution to a personal problem, but drug abuse has societal ramifications and therefore becomes an issue for authorities to "manage".

Interesting game pondering federal vs. state control. I think the feds should incentivize the states to make wise decisions regarding drug abuse, same as the state should incentivize individuals. not saying the feds shouldn't have direct personal consequences for drug abuse, but both and all lesser entities should be on the same page, pushing hard against substance abuse.

I wouldn't make it legal federally or state wise. I'd make abuse of chemicals very unattractive on all levels of govt.

Obviously anything can be abused to the point of detriment, and that includes weed. And based on national obesity statistics, also includes food/drink. We will never control free citizens daily lives, not the minds of obsessive individuals that can't display self control...we're human.

Mind altering substances that contribute to about 90% of societies crime problems really can't be compared to candy.

Except on the fire.

Exactly right Ricky.The solution has never been,to make people do right.Love,joy,peace,goodness,meekness,gentleness,and self control,cannot be reached by forced compliance.

Notice how some women have babies to collect more welfare? Govt is rewarding them, so they do it. Govt could just as easily not reward them. All it takes is policy change.

Legalizing a drug is condoning it's use, like it or not. If it's illegal but tolerated/not prosecuted, then the same message is sent.

The best position for society, although not perfect, is making it illegal for recreational use, and enforcing it. Plus encouraging responsible choices.

A key point left out of most of these discussions is where the proceeds from marijuana sales go. Prohibition did nothing to stop the sale of pot. It will always be here. , and money will be made off it. Should the proceeds continue to go to the cartels, or......

http://www.denverpost.com/2017/03/09/denver-fbi-youth-program-funded-pot-taxes/

Like it or not, anyone in authority over you, whether a parent or a govt, makes choices about what they discourage, encourage, condone, punish. My position is that the govt should dis-incentivize drug abuse and hold people accountable for the choices they make. Also part of the program might be to reward chronic offenders for making good choices and staying clean for a period of time.

If govt under Barrack Obama was responsible for so many ills in society, like the nonsense from BLM et all, then why can't it be said equally that the govt can be an agent for positive change? Why can't the govt put in place policies that reward right choices and discourage poor ones?

The obvious answer is they can.

It's more the money from blackmarket prices caused by laws against the product that cause most of the crime.
It's all about the money on both sides of the isle.

I know Oregon is making serious bank from pot sales. Most of you also know that Oregon seems to have lost it's moral compass, so it's no surprise that leadership condones pot use, both for the money and for the "in your face" to authority in general that it represents. Sorry to sound like a broken record, but the 60's generation is now in charge, so what do you expect society to look like under their leadership?

The fact that weed is another lever for greed and corruption to entangle itself in society is good enough reason for me to vote against it.

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Seems some can't understand that the corruption and greed is a direct result of laws against it.. Duh!

Oregon's been fuqed up a long time nothing new here

Suffrage and temperance if you please...

There are a lot of dumb ass laws in this country.

Toward the top of that heap is the outlawing of marijuana.




Dave

That's like saying because murder is illegal I can't help myself, I have to go kill someone! The law is responsible for my urges!

How about if the govt dis-incentivized murder? Would I think twice about doing it then? Yes, that's exactly what they've done, for the good of society. Not taking into account how bad I want to kill somebody. So my individual loss of freedom was deemed acceptable for the overall good of society.

Now, inject drug abuse in place of murder. The govt could choose to make it unattractive enough that my desire to participate would dwindle in proportion to the consequences.

Or, they could glamorize and legalize it.

Easy choice.

Insightful. And compelling.

Using your parent analogy,the government is an extremely bad parent. A good parent does punish but also teaches and provides a good example. A good parent doesn't just make punishment worse for uncorrected behavior.

What kind of parent would I be if I had no positive contact with my children but only proclaimed the law and dealt out capital punishment for any infringement against that law,even to the extent of tying my kids to a post and beating them with a stick? That seems to be your answer.

Do you just beat a kid worse that won't obey? Isn't it a better solution to try to help that kid correct his behavior by showing him how it hurts him and giving him a way to refocus his efforts in a more positive direction?

I'm not saying that punishment isn't part of a solution, but it isn't all of the solution.Stricter laws and worse punishment isn't the solution. Punishment alone won't work with a misbehaving child,and it won't work with a misbehaving society.

You're more than welcome to hold your opinions about pot or any other matter but I think we disagree quite a bit on the role of government.

You seem to want it to incentivize this or discourage that, my expectation is for the government to stay the hell out of my life as much as possible, and to let me and everybody else make our own choices. Only when my or others' choices directly damage someone else would I expect government to step in. I highlight "directly" since "indirectly" is the precipice of a 90 degree slope. Someone eating too much is indirectly hurting me by raising the cost of health care and insurance rates. Someone breathing oxygen is indirectly hurting me by taking it away from me... argumentum absurdum to be sure but "indirectly" quickly degrades into justifying the absurd. And that's not speculation given the outlawing of Big Gulps in NY or wherever it was fer cryin' out loud.


I want government to step in when someone endangers me directly by driving under the influence of any ability impairing substance. I want the government to set national standards so an ounce in Oregon weighs the same as an ounce in Florida, inadvertent drug reference notwithstanding.

But directing me to lead a better life? Better according to who?

Organize the national defense, regulate interstate commerce so one state doesn't impose border tariffs on another and a few other things. But keep the moralizing out of it.

Every government that ever tried to impose morality on its citizens has failed in the attempt and only made whatever situation they were trying to cure far worse.

Bad argument. The reason you don't go around killing people,is because you know it's wrong,not because you're afraid of what the government will do if you get caught.

It's a multi-billion dollar expenditure each year to arrest and jail people "breaking" the law regarding the use of marijuana.

I am 100% for decriminalizing this and spending that money on infrastructure.Here in TN, the governor wants to add a gas tax to pay for transportation capital improvements.

let the pothead out of jail and leave the gas tax alone.

Where did you get that weed statistic ?, 90% of crime is related to weed use ? wtf

When I was very young, school taught us that heroin/pills were hard drugs, and weed was a soft drug...soft being the key word.

He pulled it right out of his ass.! Sugar(candy) related Diabetes [b][color:#3333FF]killed 75,000[/color][/b] people in 2014. How many died of Cannabis?

Actually, the consequences of my behavior are strong incentives to stay on the straight and narrow. Didn't you get spanked as a kid? I did. I've also been thrown in jail and stood before a judge to explain myself. Whether caught by the law or caught by God, you're caught just the same and if you're smart you learn from your screwups and don't repeat them. I'd love to screw up all the time and kick some lilly white asses, but the consequences keep me from it. i don't think I'm too different than a lot of people.

To suggest a right and a wrong, there has to be an ultimate authority. Here on earth it's govt.

Mind altering substances. Read it slowly.

So you're in favor of continuing to fund the cartels.

Bible thumpers have a hard time comprehending that.




Dave

Sorry but I disagree. I don't kill people because I choose not to,not because I'm afraid I'll get caught. I could figure out ways to not get caught. Same thing with using Pot.I quit because I decided it was the wrong thing for me to do,not because I was afraid of getting caught.

^^^This is what a low IQ looks like. ^^^

I guess that depends on what you call a Bible thumper. I'm pro Bible as much as anyone,but I agree with Jim.

That's a classic ploy of the left, framing the question so that there is no objective way to handle it. Come on man give me a break.

You know the thing I love about Trump? He's all about personal accountability. He expects alot of his people. He hasn't let his children slide and they've turned out great by all accounts. Even Hillary complimented them.

All this apologist crap I see here, not gunna fly. I don't buy it, and the bad news for all of you, Trump ain't gunna buy it either. At least I hope he doesn't cave on drugs.

Pretty much the same as booze or prescription drugs: victimless until some hoser rams his car into somebody while under the influence (or texting, or getting his candle waxed, etc, etc).

More character assassination, yet I'm the one with the low IQ. Try this Montana, bring something worthwhile to the discussion. How about a joke? Anything?

That was a public service announcement.





Clark

Bible thumpers are a group of dipschits that can't objectively reason and use their religion as an excuse for being stupid.

I'd say you're not one.



Dave

That's a classic ploy of a guy with no answers--accuse the other guy of being a leftist or a fill-in-the-blank.

My apologies for attempting an intelligent conversation. Carry on.

I'll engage a real question, although I do need to replace deck boards today at some point.

Funny to me that a couple of guys blame Oregon being fugged up because of legal weed. Weed didn't become legal until 2015, and it was fugged up long before that.

Well, I don't fall for your April Fools jokes do I?

This is me giving you a standing ovation.





Travis

All you have to offer are barbs and jokes.

+10

Can you provide a source for your 90% number?

I doubt it will pass and even if it did Trump will veto it.

Fireball,

If it makes you feel any better, this guy's logic is just as schitty as yours.




Dave

You're providing the material. I just capitalize on it.




Dave

Trump will not legalize nor remove cannabis from the schedule 1 classification, he has no intention of allowing the individual States to dictate policy...he has made it clear publicly and stated, that he's going after recreational states...legal or not.

The States that chose to defy the Fed law, knew this day would come...they rolled the dice that Mr.O would pass legislation as promised on his campaign trail, and made serious financial investments into the industry. Even as their "legal" business boomed behind closed state lines, the Feds demanded their tax money on revenue from an illegal venture(in their eyes). O stated he hit a brick wall in achieving support, and had bigger fish to fry. To think Mr.T would waste any time on legislation is naive, he has a full plate of problems. He will instead support the DEA and LEO in prosecuting legal operations, and fill the prison system with "offenders".

With the big boys entering the commercial game like Phillip Morris, the court system will get weighed down in high priced attorneys and appeals...only the little guy will go down for the "crime".

Just for clarification, which was that this time, a barb or a joke?

Yeah joke guy, I hope you'll be ok with me not really giving a sheit what you think.

If it's legal in your state, who am I to judge...is bad logic ?

Can my state start a season on Bald Eagles?




Dave

Why do all women say the same things?





Clark

Yeah, my apologies. Most days it's closer to 100% in the local police reports.

Would it matter to the argument if the number was only 40%? Would that number be ok with you? How about 60%? It's normal here to see every single police report full of drug related offenses. Sorry if that's not good enough for you. If you're looking for an argument, there's your in, but it doesn't change the drug culture and it's effect on the rest of society.

I firmly believe in government at the lowest level is best. To that end, it's legal in my house.

And the tax revenue has let me buy three new rifles in the past week alone. Off the books, of course...

Words hurt Clark.

I now say 20! We got Seafire and Fireball2 fired up we might make it to 25.






^^Stop making sense!!^^

I'd prefer not, but if your legislature passes the bill then your voter constituency has spoken. I just hope I don't live in your state, and maybe that's why Franklin wanted the wild turkey to be our national bird

Some states need one.

From 40% to 90% is a huge difference in the degree of the problem and the level of associated intervention, expense, and number of people who we choose to incarcerate as a result. We also need to understand how imposing penalties as it related to drugs changes people behavior in negative ways, such as allowing corruption in government and creating incentives to commit murder.

It's not sufficient to say something is bad, the better question is bad in relation to what alternative, and that requires an accurate assessment of the degree of problem.

I want to see Trump make a stand against drug abuse. Life will again have meaning, rights will be wronged, the earth will be righted on it's axis once more.

All the apologists will be screaming bloody murder, because they don't like to be told no.

The evidence of the degradation of society is everywhere. I don't know where you're from, but read your hometown police reports.

Excellent post. I know I shouldn't be, but I keep being surprised at how many people want more government controls in their lives. Actually that's perhaps not entirely accurate; they want more government control of others people's lives, particularly those doing things they don't like. In this they remind me very much of modern day SJW's and liberals. They somehow feel that they have the right not to be exposed to anything they don't like or find annoying, and denying people their freedoms is fine if those freedoms annoy you. These are the people we call "snowflakes", because they are oh so special and must not be exposed to anything they don't like, lest they throw a hissy fit.

I don't use drugs or even alcohol simply because I don't enjoy their effects. However I've worked with and known plenty of people who do. Some were great, responsible people and others were hardly worth the oxygen they used. I've also worked with and known lots of people who use neither drugs nor alcohol. Guess what, some where great, responsible people and others where complete turds. In fact, the two young kids who I work with now both smoke pot on a daily basis, but not till after work. Both of them are in every way superior workers and people to the two other older guys there who don't smoke pot. Why isn't it making them lazy, stupid criminals? I've worked with people for years before I found out they liked to smoke a little pot, and had no idea. If they want to do that, and can remain functional and productive people, what business is it of mine or the governments?

I don't really care if people are stupid, until they get to the point of being dangerously stupid. We have a couple dangerously stupid people here. When someone advocates the governmental right to punish or even kill someone for something as minor as smoking a little pot, that's a dangerous stupidity. People like that are far more dangerous to society than potheads could ever be.

Prison is the new rehab for addicts ? I don't follow the philosophy.

Education and addiction centers would cost less and be more effective, the dealers need prison time not the addicts.

Nailed it!

Make pot illegal and attending church at least twice a week mandatory. Get rid of state governments and quash the people's voice. All proclamations regarding our freedoms should come from the federal government. The Feds "gave" us our rights and they'll take them back as we prove our collective inability to follow our king.

As soon as Oregon makes pot illegal again we'll see the state transformed into a straight up perfect utopia, just like it was before the wacky tabacky became legal.

There are quite a few anti-freedom fighters that have obviously suffered some serious ass rape at the hands of crazed negroes high on pot.

Yeah, pot smoking is great until it isn't, then you'll want something done, or you'll fire them.


Just yesterday a 15 year old kid got run over and killed by a drug addict here in my small town. I guess since it's just one person and a very small percentage of the overall number of people, his parents should be ok with it since the drug addict has rights to his personal freedoms.

Smoke 'em if you got 'em!

Challenge: Post the story/link. Prove he was A) a drug addict and B) impaired at the time of the incident.

Do it for the children....

Just made fresh popcorn.

Carry on.

The problem with your ultimatum, which I see for what it is, fuel for a fight, is that your intent seems to be to defend drug users or discredit me so my position can be discounted. For the record, you could completely discredit me but that wouldn't change the drug argument. Recreational drug use including MJ has no place in our society. It is of no value.

Of course there's no toxicology report (yet) to back up my assertion that the guy is a drug addict. But there was heroine in the car. His driving pretty much speaks for itself, but you are free to draw your own conclusions. We see it all the time here.




http://ktvl.com/news/local/grants-pass-high-school-sophomore-killed-after-hit-by-car

http://www.kdrv.com/story/34724782/grants-pass-student-killed-in-accident-friday-morning

Being a cop I would think you could see the problem with drug abuse. Guess not??

Look campfire, you all can do whatever you want, make me a look like a jerk, whatever, I don't care. I am against drugs in every way, always will be, do not condone their abuse, would welcome MJ as medicinal but see no value to society in getting high. End of discussion.



The pot apologists now have the floor.

Love your style

Absolutely not. What part of anyone's argument leads you to believe that or post it except as a straw man to be knocked down?

IF this person was high on pot at the time then they should be prosecuted the same as someone under the affects of alcohol or someone distracted by texting for that matter.


Freedom carries with it the express condition of responsibility.

I have a gun. It is my freedom to own it. However, if I randomly fire it in a populated area and hurt or kill someone I would fully expect to have my freedom abrogated due to my complete irresponsibility toward my fellow citizens.

I have a car. It is my freedom to drive it at lethal speeds (30 mph is a lethal speed to a pedestrian) on public highways but it is my express responsibility to do so in a safe manner. If I am impaired in its use by alcohol, pot or even legally prescribed medication it is my responsibility to not drive that vehicle or face penalties for my irresponsibility.

We get it. You hate pot and anyone who smokes pot. That is your right to believe that. You can hate .270's and those who own one as well if you want, that's your right. But please quit trying to come up with examples to prove pot is the one and only pernicious substance or behavior in our society, that only degrades by association any plausible arguments you might have.

So....alcohol should be banned too?

So is it legal to drive while high on heroin where you are?

You say MJ has no place in our society and is of no value. Ok, lets see how many other things that applies to. Does alcohol have value? How about golf, golf courses take up prime real estate and drive up prices, we don't need em so ban them too, no value in golf. Oh, and cars are way too fast. A guy got killed here this week because he was driving too fast for conditions. If we had a law restricting the ability of vehicles to exceed 60mph, imagine how many tiny little children we'd save! And GUNS! Surely you don't need handguns at all, they aren't great for hunting and if nobody had them then nobody needs to defend themselves against someone with a handgun. Plus guns are loud, and disturb people in the area. Somebody might have to move because they don't like the noise pollution caused by those guns. Besides, people have accidents with guns, and sometimes ricochet's do weird things....in fact, lets give the government permission to imprison or kill anyone who has a gun, a car that drives to fast, or a bottle of scotch on the shelf. We just don't need those things, do we?

He went to grab a beer, be right back.

Damm, time to move to Canada

No my aim is not to discredit you. You claim pretty much everyone but you is a drug addict, at least in your sate. I'd also be willing to bet that guy's tox report shows he was high on H at the time of the incident. Thank you for that response. Oh, and do let me know if this guy pops positive for THC.

I hate heroin as much as the next guy, but this thread is about marijuana, not heroin.

I'll start a new thread about the heroin epidemic.

Now back on topic- marijuana.

FWIW, I no longer smoke much weed (maybe once/twice a year)....when it got hard to find the good old colombian and mexican weed I grew up on, it ceased to interest me....now, if we could start re importing those good old $10 lids, I'll be first in line....

Just ask around for a good sativa or sativa dominant strain. That stuff from the old days you like was 100% sativa. The seed breeders bred in indica to shorten the flowering cycle so growers could have more crops in a given time frame.

Look for a popular strain called "Girl Scout Cookies" - Supposedly has roots (pardon the pun) in the old Mexican lines.

Or just ask Jeff_O. He grows legally. He said he'd hook anyone on the 'fire up.

This will make at least 2 heads explode.

Went into Seattle to see my buddy last night- he works for Circanna. https://www.circanna.com/

Keep in mind this is all legal, at the state/local level anyway, here in WA. My friend runs their laboratory taking dried pot and extracting the THC oil. I got the tour last night. Saw probably 100lbs of dried plant matter, and several pounds of oil, the super critical CO2 extractor, their still, everything. And tons of finished product ready to go. Really interesting- you got the vape pens, breath strips, lotions, you name it. The most interesting thing is when I walked in the front door I exclaimed "Holy shchidt! I can taste the pot in the air!" My buddy works there so he doesn't even notice it.

And right next door to Circanna? Another company doing the same thing.

Indica strains were introduced for body highs instead of cerebral, mainly to deal with pain and ailments. Today many hybrid strains control the market, with the breeders in Holland raking in the money.

Of course now the medical strains not containing THC are the rage, for treating many issues...Charlotte's Web being the most famous for eliminating seizures in small children.

Not to sidetrack the conversation too much but I had to check out the menu on one of the pot shops that was linked to earlier.

I love the names of the indica strain - as I understand it the indicas are the ones that put your butt on the couch all day while the sativa makes you talk to aliens. Anyway, "Lock Jaw", "Ultimate Urkel", "Pie Face OG" - I had to laugh at that, those guys are trying to outdo each other with weird names more than small craft beer breweries.

Yeah, but it still costs too much...$10 an ounce would fit in my budget. I damn sure miss the "good old days"...

Almost all of the old school strains like Panama Red/Colombian Gold were brought in by the cartel, the influx of home grown varieties(US Grown)...raised the prices and eliminated the cartels control/violence in our country. They switched to coke and Oxi trade, and include heroin to thrive off the junkies...they are slowly being eliminated and the cartel ain't what it used to be without US cash.

Bad hombres

Hell, that ain't nothing new... they've been naming weed for a long time...they ARE getting more creative though...smoking the product, no doubt, helps with the creative names...

Hmmm....I don't recall any violence from back in the day...I think it was crack and coke that got the guns blazing....

The topic is marijuana and I'd much rather deal with a stoner any day than a drunk.

And my wife has had two major back surgeries over the past year and it has been either opiates or THC/CBD to manage pain. Guess which one I prefer her to use?...

No one is advocating the abuse of anything here. Sound like a liberal interjecting that term there at the last minute.

Or anybody else strung out on a chemical substance like crank, heroin, dust..etc.

I misspoke in text, they controlled the flow/market/finances of the product to Americans, and acts of violence/death against their own countrymen to mule the drugs here..or we kill your whole family, which they did many many times. Very ruthless and violent bastages, and had people stationed here from east/west coast to control shipping/flow/cash.

When the gangs on the west coast including Arizona started rebelling against the cartels drug tide, then it got violent here as they lost big money.

I'm still not so sure it wasn't coke that was the culprit...there just wasn't enough money in marijuana to make me think it would be a good idea to start chopping off body parts...coke would also explain the mindset towards violence.

That would be incorrect. It was about money. Outdoors there is one growing season (for marijuana, which needs the summer solstice to trigger flowering, at least in the USA). Indoors there are as many seasons as you can cram in. The equatorial sativas that were coming in in the 60's and 70's from Mexico and South America took up to 120 days of flowering indoors. That does not include the vegetative phase.

Hippies following the legendary "Hippie Hashish Trail" took trips through places like Afghanistan and picked up seeds of indica strains (the argument about Afghani (species) being distinct from indica notwithstanding). These indica strains flowered in as little as 40-45 days with a little breeding work. That allowed indoor growers to get in as many as 3x the crops as the equatorial sativas in a given time frame. Not to mention, in general, indicas are smaller in stature so you can get more plants in a given area. It's all about maximizing product to maximize profit.

Now that you have somewhat mainstream research going on, yes the indicas are prized for medical purposes. They were in the past too, but not to the extent they are today. Indica was introduced to the US to breed with sativas to shorten their flowering cycle.

DJ Short writes in "Cultivating Exceptional Cannabis: An Expert Breeder Shares his Secrets"...

"The first Indica buds entered the market in 1979. These all came in one source from Northern California who had imported the seed directly from Afghanistan. Short, stout, dark, compact and skunky, these plants were totally different than what the industry had been accustomed to. The most desirable features of the pure Indica were their compact productivity and shortened growing season. Indica plants produced large, dense, potent buds very quickly. They soon became the variety of choice for the indoor scene."

Money money money!

Your answer is incorrect.




Dave

So does fisting.




Clark

That's not surprising because you're both equally stupid.




Dave

Or maybe just do away with the right to free speech or ban all religions.

Just hit the "ignore" button on me Flave, it'll be like taking a Valium...you'll feel better.

No thanks. I enjoy laughter.




Travis

It's a state right according to some super-bright Americans.

Unless of course you bring up immigration. Then it isn't.




Clark

56k posts of insults and acting like a dik ? What a guy lol

I'm probably the greatest guy you'll ever not meet.

Fact.




Travis

"Life is full of blessings"

And my genetics allow me to be one of them.

And yours don't.



You're welcome,
Dave

It is legal here according to the State. So far the world has not ended but it will be interesting to see if the Feds really step down hard on those who think it is legal. It will not bother me in any way.

As a dog returns to his own vomit, So a fool repeats his folly.

You're welcome

Wanna get back to that Bald Eagle analogy or are you all done for the day?







Travis

It was tongue in cheek bro, I know it's a myth...lighten up.

Pretty sure Shrapnel the the greatest guy I'll never meet, but you come in a close second...

I get it now. I knew the bwana was a sock puppet.

I don't know why you DB's keep calling me that, but GAFL

I get you too Fireball, you're that pusssy that can't stand the heat and join in picking on people...I'm impressed with your display of baalls.

Wow.

Doubling down on stupid.

Impressive.




Clark

He's not easy going.




Travis

I took more heat than anyone else on the thread. They're all gone. I made my case well and clearly. Don't see anyone standing with me against the lot of you, so how exactly am I picking on anyone with other people?

Basically, this discussion is exactly like talking to a democrat and is a pointless waste of energy.

^^^Methinks she doth protest too much...^^^



Clark the Conquerer

Boring day in the basement again huh ?

3 times you said you were leaving, promises promises.

Not at all.

It's been quite fulfilling.





Clark

Well done for a while Clark, but I'm calling Bwana your sock puppet.

Awww, she can count.

Wanna address that Bald Eagle question? Or does your kghunt preclude it?




Dave the Dick (big type)

I'll add that to the long list of schit you can't get right.




Dave

Must be surfing kiddie porn again



I'm nobody's puppet, but I'd like to stick a sock in your mouth.

Yeah I've never been right about you huh joker boy?

This quote is internet gold.

GD I love it.




Dave

Sure you are.

Odd thing to joke about.






Dave

This is me giving you (another) standing ovation.




Clark

Hitting close to home always brings the nasty out of a man. Carry on.

Profound.




Dave

LMFAO.




Clark

Both of you should put your pants on and go upstairs...Mom's calling you for dinner.

DB's, the worlds full of DB's

I went upstairs and found a bunch of Bald Eagles.

Thoughts?



Dave

Tell your sisters to put their pants on too.

never happen.

EVERYBODY MAKE WAY FOR VIC MACKEY!

Too fugkin' funny.




Dave

Don't let my comments make you angry.

It's not your fault you were born dumb.





Clark

They do make a cute couple though.


mike r

You don't make me angry, I actually feel sorry for you. It's easy to see why you have so many posts, just a sad lonely loser that needs attention...no real friends, no life, just a regular poor azzhole. I hope you didn't breed, if you did throw them in burlap bag and toss them in the river.

Internet bullies hoping to impress someone...lol

Yup. Clear as mud.

Yeah. T-shirt material and [bleep].

The idea that there were more people, out of the general public, abusing alcohol before prohibition than after prohibition is propaganda.

One of the reason the Fire has lost so many good guys. We can't seem to talk about anything with out name calling. I have spent time around a lot of real campfires with a lot of people. e did not always agree but never did anyone spew the crap we do here.

The more rude one is...the more they must know...right?

I'm in an occupation that requires drug testing and an automatic revocation of license if a failure occurs. Pretty solid place to be, IMO.

Aren't you part of the fishing fleet?

USCG licensed captain. Charter captain. I also run a commercial fishing operation, which has no drug testing.. right now. I hear rumors they might put some sort of requirement in place for that too.

After watching that one captain on "deadliest catch", I'm not surprised...about the charter thing though....
I've been on a couple party boats where I seen the captain toking up...no biggie to me though...how often are you required to drug test?

It's just a few guys.

Perhaps the name calling is from lack of ability to hold a logical discussion using facts.

I know I am pretty sick of it and may back off even more.

Random.

The wrong guys are leaving. If the one's causing the most problems weren't tolerated there wouldn't be a problem with the one's left.

I apologize to the members for participating in the foray, but repeatably being called stupid and insulted by the same guy since I've arrived here...tends to get under my skin.

Though we may all disagree on the fine points of life, civil discussion leads to learning and new ideas. This thread is an example of that, people have strong viewpoints on subjects...yet at the end we agree to disagree sometimes.

My apologies again.

I'm amazed that we have gone so far down the tubes here in the USA that things like legalizing drugs even comes up as a bill much less a vote.

Medical use I"m fine with. But not just I can't stand to go to work use... legit use...

But just as a daily thing... its not a good thing at all IMHO.

Careful the pot advocates will chew your head off.

Careful, self-described conservatives will advocate for more federal, state and local government because you're doing something the self-described conservatives don't agree with.

Can replace "self-described conservatives" with "bible thumpers" and get the same result.

No dig at you personally, FB. But it's applicable.

I really don't care if people want to do heroin on their own time. Or pot. To the extent if affects others negatively is not cool. I don't have the answer for the balance between "I'll do what I want on my own time and property if it isn't hurting anyone directly" and "We should kill anyone who thinks about doing drugs but I need another whiskey."

I'm kind of with Steelhead- let Darwinism sort it out. However, it is sorting itself out on the streets of Seattle and other places, in public, in a bad way (specifically derailing and talking about heroin/hard drugs here vs. the thread topic of pot but it's I guess equally applicable in some minds).

Is the answer to give the addicts some super pure stuff and let Darwin sort it out? Maybe. But I don't advocate giving monkeys loaded guns either.

Then again, by and large, we don't have potheads (and I'm referencing people who only smoke pot and don't use other drugs) homeless on the streets causing all sorts of crime leaving needles everywhere.

I don't have all the answers. I know for a fact that giving these people "safe injection sites" ain't going to solve anything unless you use it as bait and arrest the fockers.

I look at advocates for social change (drug use) as liberals, and my position as the one fighting for conservative values. I am extremely conservative in my views. By conservative, I mean conserve traditional values and resisting the liberal agendas and social engineering. I see drug use and abuse as a liberal problem.

It doesn't take bigger govt, it takes the right govt.

I hope President Donald Trump stands firm and tough against drug abuse.

You sound more like a big government republican. Conservatives like the Constitution, freedom, small government, local control and generally staying the f'ck out of other people's lives. Republicans and democrats like big government and lots and lots of laws in their pathetic attempt to control other people; they can't which forces them to make more laws. Eventually everyone is guilty of a certain level of lawlessness daily, cameras are always recording and you're under 24 hour surveillance. All of this just because some republican/democrat thought they could control other people.

I saw a documentary comparing our prison system with other countries and there were stark differences. There's more than a couple prisoners that didn't do drugs until they got to prison....meaning that even under the most extreme amount of control one can excercise over another they still can't prevent someone else from altering their state OR prison is the gateway drug. 😉

Some people are so dumb they just learn to regurgitate what they hear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvGJvzwKqg0

Tomorrows paper. March 12, 2017 Sunday

I don't understand enabling, which is what all the social programs and warriors are doing.

I couldn't care less if people want to shoot smack or smoke whatever, but stop the damn food/shelter/welfare etc etc.

Let them die out, or figure out how to be functioning human beings.

Don't take my word for it, here's the local sheriff.



"The violence was the latest in a string of marijuana related shootings, robberies, and assaults that have taken place since recreational pot became legal in Oregon on July 1, 2015. Back then there were hopes that legalization would cut down on crime.
"There's crime associated all around the marijuana industry," Josephine County Sheriff Dave Daniel said in late February...

"Home invasions, car thefts, water theft, property disputes. It's definitely affected the fabric of our community."

There still needs to be a push to legalize prostitution, while we are at it.

Pot Brothels could be a hoot.

Some people learn by being there. Maybe you should listen to them.

Maybe I should listen to the elected sheriff who asks the county commission for a multi million dollar budget every year to "fight" marijuana ? Right....

He's not lying. Horse, meet water.

So dark.

Do you wear eyeliner?




Dave

That sucks.

For you.




Dave

I forgive you.




Clark

Is this the local sheriff that was elected by Oregonians?




Dave

That's because you're stupid.





Clark

Could be?

I did not know that.

I really wish we had "Like" buttons here.

My feelings also. miles

Absolutely not. If we did that, FB2 and Seafire would have to find something to do all day besides whining about potheads on the 'fire.

"I'm a conservative! I want the government to take care of my problems!"

The govt is not going away. If you think it might, stop paying your taxes and get back to me.

I advocate the right governance vs. the wrong. Government that does the right thing for once.

Honestly, I'd rather be stupid than be you.

Conservative values starts and stops with the US Constitution, anything more and it's social warrior BS.