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Seems some can't understand that the corruption and greed is a direct result of laws against it.. Duh!

Oregon's been fuqed up a long time nothing new here

Suffrage and temperance if you please...

There are a lot of dumb ass laws in this country.

Toward the top of that heap is the outlawing of marijuana.




Dave

That's like saying because murder is illegal I can't help myself, I have to go kill someone! The law is responsible for my urges!

How about if the govt dis-incentivized murder? Would I think twice about doing it then? Yes, that's exactly what they've done, for the good of society. Not taking into account how bad I want to kill somebody. So my individual loss of freedom was deemed acceptable for the overall good of society.

Now, inject drug abuse in place of murder. The govt could choose to make it unattractive enough that my desire to participate would dwindle in proportion to the consequences.

Or, they could glamorize and legalize it.

Easy choice.

Insightful. And compelling.

Using your parent analogy,the government is an extremely bad parent. A good parent does punish but also teaches and provides a good example. A good parent doesn't just make punishment worse for uncorrected behavior.

What kind of parent would I be if I had no positive contact with my children but only proclaimed the law and dealt out capital punishment for any infringement against that law,even to the extent of tying my kids to a post and beating them with a stick? That seems to be your answer.

Do you just beat a kid worse that won't obey? Isn't it a better solution to try to help that kid correct his behavior by showing him how it hurts him and giving him a way to refocus his efforts in a more positive direction?

I'm not saying that punishment isn't part of a solution, but it isn't all of the solution.Stricter laws and worse punishment isn't the solution. Punishment alone won't work with a misbehaving child,and it won't work with a misbehaving society.

You're more than welcome to hold your opinions about pot or any other matter but I think we disagree quite a bit on the role of government.

You seem to want it to incentivize this or discourage that, my expectation is for the government to stay the hell out of my life as much as possible, and to let me and everybody else make our own choices. Only when my or others' choices directly damage someone else would I expect government to step in. I highlight "directly" since "indirectly" is the precipice of a 90 degree slope. Someone eating too much is indirectly hurting me by raising the cost of health care and insurance rates. Someone breathing oxygen is indirectly hurting me by taking it away from me... argumentum absurdum to be sure but "indirectly" quickly degrades into justifying the absurd. And that's not speculation given the outlawing of Big Gulps in NY or wherever it was fer cryin' out loud.


I want government to step in when someone endangers me directly by driving under the influence of any ability impairing substance. I want the government to set national standards so an ounce in Oregon weighs the same as an ounce in Florida, inadvertent drug reference notwithstanding.

But directing me to lead a better life? Better according to who?

Organize the national defense, regulate interstate commerce so one state doesn't impose border tariffs on another and a few other things. But keep the moralizing out of it.

Every government that ever tried to impose morality on its citizens has failed in the attempt and only made whatever situation they were trying to cure far worse.

Bad argument. The reason you don't go around killing people,is because you know it's wrong,not because you're afraid of what the government will do if you get caught.

It's a multi-billion dollar expenditure each year to arrest and jail people "breaking" the law regarding the use of marijuana.

I am 100% for decriminalizing this and spending that money on infrastructure.Here in TN, the governor wants to add a gas tax to pay for transportation capital improvements.

let the pothead out of jail and leave the gas tax alone.

Where did you get that weed statistic ?, 90% of crime is related to weed use ? wtf

When I was very young, school taught us that heroin/pills were hard drugs, and weed was a soft drug...soft being the key word.

He pulled it right out of his ass.! Sugar(candy) related Diabetes [b][color:#3333FF]killed 75,000[/color][/b] people in 2014. How many died of Cannabis?

Actually, the consequences of my behavior are strong incentives to stay on the straight and narrow. Didn't you get spanked as a kid? I did. I've also been thrown in jail and stood before a judge to explain myself. Whether caught by the law or caught by God, you're caught just the same and if you're smart you learn from your screwups and don't repeat them. I'd love to screw up all the time and kick some lilly white asses, but the consequences keep me from it. i don't think I'm too different than a lot of people.

To suggest a right and a wrong, there has to be an ultimate authority. Here on earth it's govt.

Mind altering substances. Read it slowly.

So you're in favor of continuing to fund the cartels.

Bible thumpers have a hard time comprehending that.




Dave

Sorry but I disagree. I don't kill people because I choose not to,not because I'm afraid I'll get caught. I could figure out ways to not get caught. Same thing with using Pot.I quit because I decided it was the wrong thing for me to do,not because I was afraid of getting caught.

^^^This is what a low IQ looks like. ^^^

I guess that depends on what you call a Bible thumper. I'm pro Bible as much as anyone,but I agree with Jim.

That's a classic ploy of the left, framing the question so that there is no objective way to handle it. Come on man give me a break.

You know the thing I love about Trump? He's all about personal accountability. He expects alot of his people. He hasn't let his children slide and they've turned out great by all accounts. Even Hillary complimented them.

All this apologist crap I see here, not gunna fly. I don't buy it, and the bad news for all of you, Trump ain't gunna buy it either. At least I hope he doesn't cave on drugs.

Pretty much the same as booze or prescription drugs: victimless until some hoser rams his car into somebody while under the influence (or texting, or getting his candle waxed, etc, etc).