24hourcampfire.com
24hourcampfire.com
-->
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 2 of 3 1 2 3
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 14,948
P
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
P
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 14,948
Poor little obama.


--- CAUGHT IN THE CROSSFIRE --- A Magic Time To Be An Illegal In America---
GB1

Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 25,098
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 25,098
Phil, you are either dishonest or completely retarded if you don't think the ACA had a huge impact on working folks health insurance plans.

It was, and is, a train wreck.

I have no faith in Trumps plan fixing our issues with medical care, but jaysus man, to claim the ACA isn't at fault for sky rocketing premiums and deductibles is simply ridiculous.


“Life is life and fun is fun, but it's all so quiet when the goldfish die.”
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 42,614
Campfire 'Bwana
Offline
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 42,614
Originally Posted by Steelhead
Sweet Jesus, she's back.


Like JeffO, herpes simplex...


A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 8,729
T
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
T
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 8,729
Aw Jeez--- another one--

Joined: May 2004
Posts: 5,199
I
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
I
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 5,199
Greyghost, I've been hearing that bullshiit for 30 yrs. How the republicans are going to push granny down the stairs and out the door. Obama had a 60 vote majority with no way for the republicans to stop it . His healthcare plan was a waste. He does not know how to manage healthcare cause he knows nothing about it except how to use it politically, nothing more , nothing less. We will get good healthcare policies when people with 30 yrs in healthcare start making policy instead of politicians.


But the fruits of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness,faithfulness, Gentleness and self control. Against such things there is no law. Galations 5: 22&23
IC B2

Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 57,479
R
Campfire Kahuna
Offline
Campfire Kahuna
R
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 57,479
Originally Posted by Greyghost
Cutting employee hours, and limiting or pulling benefits didn't start with the ACA or Obama care. Millions of workers have had the same thing happen way back to the mid 60's that I know of! But if you want to blame the ACA, so be it!

Phil


The problem with a liberal like you is you think you are owed the world.

If you'd have been born 100 years ago your whining would have likely eventually left you dead.

NOTHING is guaranteed in life except death.

All the rest we work for.

In about everything else I can think of we pay our own way one way or another. I don't see why health insurance should be the business of government or guaranteed.

And if you aren't paid enough or not enough hours or benefits, you are welcome to move on.

While I bitch about where I work its not really all that bad and for me to move on, it would take to much work at this point in my life to almost accomplish nothing.... so I MAKE THE CHOICE, to remain...

Unfortunately almost 50% of the country thinks its owed every damn thing these days....

I'll just leave ya with this, we get what we work for, and I'm not getting paid to run almost 300 fire/ems calls a year or for other stuff I volunteer for.... if more folks had that attitude, they'd get furhter in life and the USA would be what it once was.

YMMV, we'll agree to disagree, and carry on.


We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 42,614
Campfire 'Bwana
Offline
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 42,614
Originally Posted by Greyghost
Kind of like those born after oh, around the early 70's, don't know [bleep] about what it was like before the creation of OSHA, MSHA, the EPA, and the many other employee and safety organizations... or care, but with Trump and the far right they just damn well may find out!

Phil


Over regulation and self-locking ice cream cone justification to grow government and drive private industry to bankruptcy. Hey moron, YOU LOST... lol


A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 10,831
Campfire Outfitter
Online Content
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 10,831
I have paid for family plan health insurance since 1988

In 1990 my son was hospitalized for nearly 3 weeks with a serious illness.....over $100k

This January I had open heart surgery to replace a section of my Thoracic Aorta.....$300k

Thank God for the woman and men in our health care industry and for my health insurance. Withour the two my son and I would be dead.

It would take me 76 years at $100 a week to cover those expenses


Maker of the Frankenstud Sling Keeper
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 13,943
J
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
J
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 13,943

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/25/doctors-sue-over-obamacare-sex-change-rule-claim-p/

"Doctors sue over Obamacare sex-change rule, claim procedure runs counter to beliefs"

Quote
By Bradford Richardson - The Washington Times - Thursday, August 25, 2016

Religious health care providers and five states are suing the federal government over a regulation that they say would require doctors to perform sex-reassignment procedures, even if doing so would run contrary to their medical judgment and ethical beliefs.

The lawsuit, filed Tuesday at a federal court in Texas, takes issue with a nondiscrimination mandate issued in May by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

Lori Windham, senior counsel at the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, which represents the coalition, said the mandate would force doctors to perform sex-reassignment procedures on children.

It reaches every doctor, hospital and insurer that receives federal Medicare and Medicaid dollars, Ms. Windham said — “virtually every doctor in the United States.”

Doctors who refuse to perform the procedures would be subject to private litigation and compensatory damages, she said, and hospitals that fail to adhere to the mandate risk losing federal Medicaid and Medicare funding.

The mandate relies upon a prohibition on sex discrimination in Section 1557 of the Affordable Care Act, which HHS has interpreted as barring discrimination on the basis of gender identity.

That reading is consistent with other Obama administration interpretations of federal law, including the Department of Education’s insistence that Title IX’s prohibition on sex discrimination in education also applies to gender identity.

The lawsuit alleges that HHS overstepped its authority and misinterpreted Obamacare’s anti-discrimination provision.

“Government bureaucrats do not have the ability to go in and take away doctors’ ability to use their best medical judgment,” Ms. Windham said. “HHS has gone beyond its authority to intrude on the rights of doctors to counsel and treat their patients.”

The lawsuit was filed in the same federal court that on Sunday blocked the Obama administration’s order compelling public schools to regulate bathrooms, locker rooms and shower facilities on the basis of gender identity, rather than biological sex.

Siding with 14 states that sued the federal government over the order, U.S. District Judge Reed O’Connor said the Obama administration did not follow rule-making procedures outlined in the Administrative Procedure Act, including notice and comment.

Ms. Windham said she was “encouraged” by that outcome.

“We think it illustrates that HHS overstepped its bounds by trying to redefine the terms of the statute,” she said.

The Leadership Conference, a pro-LGBT organization, said the timing and location of the lawsuit “comes as no surprise.”

“Shopping around for right-wing judges willing to block the enforcement of our nation’s civil rights laws is an abuse of the judicial system,” Nancy Zirkin, executive vice president of the Leadership Conference, said in a statement.

Ms. Zirkin said the mandate ensures that transgender people are treated with “dignity, respect, and freedom from discrimination” when receiving health care.

Ms. Windham said the mandate is “blatantly hypocritical,” pointing out that HHS medical experts have long prevented Medicare and Medicaid funds from covering sex-transition procedures due to dubious evidence about the their effectiveness and the fluidity of gender identity in children.

“So they do not require Medicare and Medicaid to cover these procedures; they look at it on a case-by-case basis,” she said. “Yet the political appointees at HHS are saying that doctors cannot look at it on a case-by-case basis.”

Texas, Wisconsin, Nebraska and Kansas have joined in the suit, and Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin, a Republican, is joining the suit on behalf of his state.

The plaintiffs in the lawsuit include the Franciscan Alliance, which operates 14 hospitals in Indiana and Illinois, and the Christian Medical Association, a national network of medical professionals.

Religious groups unsuccessfully lobbied for an exception to the mandate before it was implemented. The lawsuit argues the edict infringes upon the rights of religious medical professionals.

“Doctors and health care providers like Franciscan Alliance have joined this profession in order to serve people,” Ms. Windham said. “They’re inspired by their faith, and they should not be forced to provide transition procedures, especially for children, that go against their medical judgment.”



Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 11,203
P
Campfire Outfitter
Online Content
Campfire Outfitter
P
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 11,203
Originally Posted by Greyghost


But one thing is for sure and it is now being recognized that with Trumps plan, the estimated 24,000,000 loosing health care won't just be the low income, retired, and elderly, but will also include an estimated 7,000,000 loosing health coverage from companies just plain not wanting to offer it any longer leaving it up to the individual to find his/or her own health coverage...



grin

Phil


Paid for my health insurance out of my pocket for 36 years. Its not the end of the world.



IC B3

Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 12,850
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 12,850
Originally Posted by Pat85

Paid for my health insurance out of my pocket for 36 years. Its not the end of the world.


I've paid my own way for a while, plus I pay for may employees.

We still have a problem, when we spend way to close to 20% of our GDP for our healthcare. No other industrial country pays more than half of what we do, and the outcomes are not materially different.

I got to enjoy the hospitality of our local medical rooming establishment due to some DVT's (yay TPA!) last year. Three days to the tune of $77K, retail. Does that seem just a wee bit excessive to just me?

We still have a problem, and it's not insurance, it's the cost of medical care.


Sic Semper Tyrannis
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 1,893
M
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
M
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 1,893
AMEN AND AMEN DUTCH !! they should have the costs in line before they ever started on insurance!!

Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 1,668
O
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
O
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 1,668
Phil,how old are you ? I'm 73. I'm a retired union dry wall taper.
I fell for the left's "slanted" news when Ronald Regan ran for president against Jimmy Carter. Then I saw what Regan accomplished. Regonomics resulted in two things. Reduce taxes for us, and US bussinesses. Yet, it resulted in more actual tax money being collected..... I was employed more than I had for the Carter years, much more. And, to this day, the left has not given Regan credit for bringing down the old Soviet Union.
The hospitals are closing and have been for years. I live within blocks of the last independantly owned and operated hospital left in Kaifornia. Why ? Because the state and federal governments laid too many requirements on them to give care to thoe who couldn't pay. That was the left's doing, particularly here.
Insurance rates went up ? Same reason.
Union jobs are harder and harder to find ? As a member of the building trades, do you know what has inhibited building in Ka. ? The left's environmental rules and laws. We have one of the highest proverty rates in the country. Why ? A big part is the high cost of housing, far higher than anywhere else in the country.
I haven't been hurt much by ObamaCare. I qualified for Medicare, and have always had Kaiser Medical Insurance since the 60's. But my girlfriend has been. She makes $15,000 a year. How ? Her drug costs have quadrupled. So have that of many of her friends and mine. Most of those hurt by Ocare are in that catagory.
Wake up and smell the coffee Phil. You've been led down the primrose path by the left's very biased news reporting.
Big things are coming with the Trump administration. Look what happend so far. And he's only been in office since 1-20-17. E

Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 57,479
R
Campfire Kahuna
Offline
Campfire Kahuna
R
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 57,479
Originally Posted by mohick
AMEN AND AMEN DUTCH !! they should have the costs in line before they ever started on insurance!!


Cost of medical care is directly related to, in a huge way, all the damn lawsuits these days.

I'm not saying thats the whole thing. But its a major part.

Add in the highly technical abilities to do what used to not be able to do and you get there.

Its not unlike old cars vs new cars that are way more expensive, but way safer..tradeoffs cost money.


We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 25,098
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 25,098
Originally Posted by Oheremicus
Phil,how old are you ? I'm 73. I'm a retired union dry wall taper.
I fell for the left's "slanted" news when Ronald Regan ran for president against Jimmy Carter. Then I saw what Regan accomplished. Regonomics resulted in two things. Reduce taxes for us, and US bussinesses. Yet, it resulted in more actual tax money being collected..... I was employed more than I had for the Carter years, much more. And, to this day, the left has not given Regan credit for bringing down the old Soviet Union.
The hospitals are closing and have been for years. I live within blocks of the last independantly owned and operated hospital left in Kaifornia. Why ? Because the state and federal governments laid too many requirements on them to give care to thoe who couldn't pay. That was the left's doing, particularly here.
Insurance rates went up ? Same reason.
Union jobs are harder and harder to find ? As a member of the building trades, do you know what has inhibited building in Ka. ? The left's environmental rules and laws. We have one of the highest proverty rates in the country. Why ? A big part is the high cost of housing, far higher than anywhere else in the country.
I haven't been hurt much by ObamaCare. I qualified for Medicare, and have always had Kaiser Medical Insurance since the 60's. But my girlfriend has been. She makes $15,000 a year. How ? Her drug costs have quadrupled. So have that of many of her friends and mine. Most of those hurt by Ocare are in that catagory.
Wake up and smell the coffee Phil. You've been led down the primrose path by the left's very biased news reporting.
Big things are coming with the Trump administration. Look what happend so far. And he's only been in office since 1-20-17. E


There is a drywall tapers union?


“Life is life and fun is fun, but it's all so quiet when the goldfish die.”
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 1,668
O
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
O
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 1,668
(San Francisco) Bay Area Painter's and Taper's Union. It now has other trades as well. Life Member. E

Last edited by Oheremicus; 03/18/17.
Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 95,675
J
Campfire Oracle
Offline
Campfire Oracle
J
Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 95,675
GG you're too stupid to realize employers have to reduce employees hours to dodge the health care mandates costs in order to stay in business.

Most business owners barely get by. They would prefer to be able to pay for ins coverage as it would allow them to compete for the most educated and skilled employees which only larger companies can compete for.

As smart as you are, why dont you open a roofing or concrete business or start borrowing money and opening dry cleaners? You could hire everyone full time, make a killing, open more stores and pay for everyone's health care and get rich doing it. Then you could donate to the bastids who want to tell you how to do it.


Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.

A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.

"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".

I Dindo Nuffin
Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 95,675
J
Campfire Oracle
Offline
Campfire Oracle
J
Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 95,675
GG, you remember when your socialist buds started the mandate that hospital ERs have to treat everyone?
That was the beginning of the out of control spiral of hospital costs and hospital closings.

It accelerated after Ocare.

Hospitals treat tons of patients, often illegal aliens and some for months at a time, who will never pay one thin dime.

Your people forget they have to pay nurses, electricity, administrators, clerks, janitors, water bills, etc.

You should get your buds to become nurses, and work for free as a second job to help out your sick welfare dimocraps.


Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.

A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.

"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".

I Dindo Nuffin
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 2,990
W
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
W
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 2,990
Originally Posted by jaguartx
GG, you remember when your socialist buds started the mandate that hospital ERs have to treat everyone?
That was the beginning of the out of control spiral of hospital costs and hospital closings.

It accelerated after Ocare.

Hospitals treat tons of patients, often illegal aliens and some for months at a time, who will never pay one thin dime.

Your people forget they have to pay nurses, electricity, administrators, clerks, janitors, water bills, etc.

You should get your buds to become nurses, and work for free as a second job to help out your sick welfare dimocraps.



Yep, well said.

Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 2,990
W
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
W
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 2,990
Originally Posted by jaguartx
GG you're too stupid to realize employers have to reduce employees hours to dodge the health care mandates costs in order to stay in business.

Most business owners barely get by. They would prefer to be able to pay for ins coverage as it would allow them to compete for the most educated and skilled employees which only larger companies can compete for.

As smart as you are, why dont you open a roofing or concrete business or start borrowing money and opening dry cleaners? You could hire everyone full time, make a killing, open more stores and pay for everyone's health care and get rich doing it. Then you could donate to the bastids who want to tell you how to do it.


And yep. Plain truth.

Page 2 of 3 1 2 3

Moderated by  RickBin 

Link Copied to Clipboard
AX24

487 members (17CalFan, 257_X_50, 1_deuce, 16gage, 160user, 10gaugemag, 58 invisible), 2,806 guests, and 1,433 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums81
Topics1,191,753
Posts18,476,295
Members73,942
Most Online11,491
Jul 7th, 2023


 


Fish & Game Departments | Solunar Tables | Mission Statement | Privacy Policy | Contact Us | DMCA
Hunting | Fishing | Camping | Backpacking | Reloading | Campfire Forums | Gear Shop
Copyright © 2000-2024 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved.



Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5
(Release build 20201027)
Responsive Width:

PHP: 7.3.33 Page Time: 0.147s Queries: 14 (0.004s) Memory: 0.9099 MB (Peak: 1.0732 MB) Data Comp: Zlib Server Time: 2024-04-29 03:57:21 UTC
Valid HTML 5 and Valid CSS