Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Can I ask an honest question: What was wrong with Obamacare?

Before you blow a gasket, let me tell you I am Canadian. I am not young, pushing 50, and have voted for right wing parties basically for my whole life. As you may know, we have universal health care. Our taxes pay for whatever is needed, whatever the issue, wherever you may find yourself in our country. No one has ever died for lack of being able to afford the care they needed or went bankrupt as a result. It's in our version of a Constitution, and it's just a part of our national fabric, and to us seems just the human thing to do.

So can I ask why people got so wound up at Obamacare? I am not trying to stir a hornet's nest, I am just asking an honest question, and genuinely want to know, as watching CNN or Fox just seems like a bunch of angry people yelling:)

Oh God.

You need to look up the Affordable Care Act and see the differences. Its not the same system. Its not paid for the same way. Many other things as well.

sns, You sound like a Canadian friend that thought obamacare is the same as the Canadian plans. It is not, everyone I have talked to, insurance has gone up, and a lot.

sns2,

First there were millions who didn't WANT insurance whom we tax payers are now paying for. Second I will only mention my daughter and son-in-law's experience because I know about it. Their premium went from $600 per month to $1,200 per month. Their deductible went from $1,000 to $12,000. If you have any idea about cost, you can see they functally don't have insurance anymore.

If O-Care is eliminated there won't be millions of folks loose something they don't want. You can't loose what you don't want. It is a relief to see it go.

It was written by the pharmaceutical companies' lobbyists. Spiraling costs for insurance companies and guaranteed profits for pharmaceuticals,which would eventually force USA into single payer. It was designed to "fail" from the start.

Health care costs for young middle class population ended up being more than their mortgages. Benefits for medium to large scale employer plans sucked. In my cases for same cost to employer plan went from small copay to the first $4k employee had to cover. Would hate to see how small employers got screwed.

My first response would have been , If you have to ask then you're probably too stupid to understand the answer. Then I saw that you are in Canada. Since you are in Canada I will give you a pass. Just stay up there in Canada & live happily ever after.

Mike

The ACA kills the self employed or small business man who purchases insurance on their own.

In the last 4 years, my monthly premiums have more than doubled, and my Max. Out of Pocket has more than quadrupled, all while my benefits have decreased.

Obamacare is nothing more than wealth redistribution. It takes, at gunpoint, from those that have and gives to those who have not.

The difference is in price controls on providers.

In the US, providers are under far less constrictions on price of service. They set the price, people or their insurance pays. If they get TOO greedy, they can be dropped by insurance networks, but in medium and small towns, it's near impossible to drop the only hospital.

In Canada, prices are set much more top down, and providers are closer to price takers.

As a result, we get much more health care per person (and pay for same). Unfortunately, we really don't get significantly better outcomes than our Canadian neighbors.

Trumpcare 1 was a lot worse

night and day,
Your taxes pay for it(everyone pays),everyone is covered.
O care,some people pay higher premiums and deductables so all can be covered.
For me personally,my premiums are about 3x what they were before,and we have to spend 7k in deductables before ins. kicks in and its only 80% coverage.
I don't consider "that" the human thing to do....

Obamacare means that the middle class effectively has NO health insurance, so that scumbags do.

1. Whenever the government gets more involved in any complex system, they screw it up.

2. If Obamacare were eliminated IN ITS ENTIRETY tomorrow, not a single American would lose health care.

3. Obamacare was designed as a hybrid system that would eventually fail under it's own weight so they could try to leap frog into 100% government run health care.

sns
I am originally from Canada so will try to answer what you are asking.
Have many family member still there and some of the unbelievable waits they go through to see a Doc. is ridiculous. A Nephew needed heart surgery to fix a valve waiting nine months to get the surgery is totally un-acceptable. Having the Gov't making decisions on your health and not you and you Doc. is totally un-acceptable. With the Gov't controlling the purse strings, they in effect are controlling the populace, whether you realize it or not, not a good situation. The Gov't is also controlling a bigger portion of the economy by doing this. Down here I call my Doc. and get an appointment from the next day to less than week, can you do that each and every time? Need a Gall bladder surgery Doc. say would you want it done this week or next, try that in Canada. I hear how my relatives have to wait,
Just my take on the differences that exist. Cheers NC

Your country lacks the first two Amendments.

As such, your opinions and questions shan't be considered.

Good day sir.



Travis

It let .gov dig 20%-25% deeper into the pocket book of most working folks who buy , and almost doubled the cost of providing ins for companies.

Ex. A 60 yo widowed female on $2400 per mo. income went from
paying $750 to paying $1250/mo.

IOW, shes now paying for a bunch of liberal scumbags and unemployed black, browns and whites.

A guy with a wife and 2 kids went from paying $11,000 to 19,000 a year, after losing his job.

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Instead of providing a safety net for all citizens, the ACA devastates the self-employed and working poor.

Another "bonus" for those with good, employer-provided plans is that really good ones, the so-called Cadillac plans, are taxed at an astounding rate (the employer is taxed), presumeably to force them to cut the benefits so everyone is equally miserable. Fortunately, my former employer has honored their commitment to their employees and retirees and while co-pays have gone up a bit and active employees had to pay a small part of the premium, the insurance is still excellent. The Medicare Advantage plan I started this year is, if anything, better than my PPO was.

Obama also cut all kinds of side deals with his political supporters that weren't available to everyone, another Third World Hellhole aspect of his regime.

Because it bent us over is why it ain't worth a [bleep].

Those here now that cant afford new ins prices and food will not have ins and will only be getting ER care. IOW, lots of people who could afford ins 2 years ago are gonna die, unable to afford meds or dr appoints.

One lady totally disabled hadnt to pay $19/mo. on some disability plan. Starting Jan this year the bill is 465/mo.
She cant afford her diabetic meds or drs visits. I guess when her foot ulcer gets gangrene the er will amputate.