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#12042127 - 05/19/17 Re: Don't eat Gas Station Nacho Cheese [Re: Sitka deer]  
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There is no vaccine for C. botulinum, and anti-toxin is not useful for prevention. Heating to high temperatures will kill the spores. Temperature greater than boiling (212°F) is needed to kill spores so pressure cookers are recommended for home canning (reaching at least 250-250°F). The toxin is heat-labile though and can be destroyed at > 185°F after five minutes or longer, or at > 176°F for 10 minutes or longer. Boiling homecanned foods for 10 minutes or longer is recommended.


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#12042137 - 05/19/17 Re: Don't eat Gas Station Nacho Cheese [Re: johnw]  
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It actually takes about 160f to kill most foodborn pathogens. Those little botulizers must be some tough cookies.


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#12042146 - 05/19/17 Re: Don't eat Gas Station Nacho Cheese [Re: tex_n_cal]  
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Originally Posted by tex_n_cal
It's not a matter of killing the bacteria, if they'd already made the Botulism toxin, you're still up a creek. It's an extremely powerful poison. Not sure what temp can actually destroy the chemical.
The toxin is destroyed by boiling. The problem is that its a bacteria that produces spores and it takes 250F to kill them. At home, you need a pressure cooker to do it. Either acid or salt will kill them, too, which is why only low acid foods, like meat or beans, need a pressure cooker for canning.


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#12042153 - 05/19/17 Re: Don't eat Gas Station Nacho Cheese [Re: Whiptail]  
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Originally Posted by Whiptail

Are Allsups green chili burritos still ok?


Only the three day old ones...Proper aging is essential!


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#12042187 - 05/19/17 Re: Don't eat Gas Station Nacho Cheese [Re: johnw]  
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Originally Posted by johnw
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There is no vaccine for C. botulinum, and anti-toxin is not useful for prevention. Heating to high temperatures will kill the spores. Temperature greater than boiling (212°F) is needed to kill spores so pressure cookers are recommended for home canning (reaching at least 250-250°F). The toxin is heat-labile though and can be destroyed at > 185°F after five minutes or longer, or at > 176°F for 10 minutes or longer. Boiling homecanned foods for 10 minutes or longer is recommended.


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Those numbers include HUGE "fudge factors" for safety and have nothing to do with what kills the toxins or the spores.


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#12042198 - 05/19/17 Re: Don't eat Gas Station Nacho Cheese [Re: persiandog]  
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You won't find botulinum in creek or lake water. Just bring it to a boil and you'll kill everything in it. They used to say to boil it for 10 min or something like that. Nonsense. The bugs start dying at about 160 and by the time it boils, they're all dead. You don't even have to get it to a boil but most hikers don't have a thermometer with them so bringing it to a boil is an easy way to do it.


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#12042237 - 05/19/17 Re: Don't eat Gas Station Nacho Cheese [Re: persiandog]  
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Probably the only 'natural' or 'organic' thing in the nachos and it's what put her in the hospital.

#12042446 - 05/19/17 Re: Don't eat Gas Station Nacho Cheese [Re: persiandog]  
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I think that is fake news,it says "lots" of people getting sick, thats got to be a lie, there can't be "lots" of people stupid enough to attempt to eat that slop!!!!

#12042461 - 05/19/17 Re: Don't eat Gas Station Nacho Cheese [Re: mohick]  
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Originally Posted by mohick
, there can't be "lots" of people stupid enough to attempt to eat that slop!!!!



Obama got elected, didn't he?

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#12042462 - 05/19/17 Re: Don't eat Gas Station Nacho Cheese [Re: persiandog]  
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Apparently, it would be perfectly safe to slather it on a Bible and eat the whole thing, however. (Provided you were on Death Row.)

Hey man, dat's nacho Bible!


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#12042544 - 05/19/17 Re: Don't eat Gas Station Nacho Cheese [Re: persiandog]  
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Well hopefully they are GMO free at the very least wink

#12042555 - 05/19/17 Re: Don't eat Gas Station Nacho Cheese [Re: persiandog]  
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How about g.s. Nacho cheese ON g.s. sushi?

Was it down with some g.s. hot chocolate.


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#12042733 - 05/19/17 Re: Don't eat Gas Station Nacho Cheese [Re: persiandog]  
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That place is an absolute shart hole. Been by it a few times on the way to go fishing.


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#12042756 - 05/19/17 Re: Don't eat Gas Station Nacho Cheese [Re: persiandog]  
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Wife runs a c-store/gas station. They used to have a cheese/chilli machine for hot dogs. Small place, rural, they got rid of the machine, it ran so hot that without frequent use it burnt the cheese and chilli. And no, the chilli did not have beans, it was for hot dogs!


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#12042775 - 05/19/17 Re: Don't eat Gas Station Nacho Cheese [Re: persiandog]  
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I also like to live dangerously......... I had gas station egg rolls today. The cheese heater thing does not scare me much unless it has a hard ring around the edge...

#12043525 - 05/20/17 Re: Don't eat Gas Station Nacho Cheese [Re: persiandog]  
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Some foods aren't. Years ago I had an old beater camp trailer. My son and I used it on a hunting trip, then we used it for storage for the next 10 years. I know how long it was by the license plate. I decided it needed cleaning out and in the icebox I found an unopened pound of margarine. It was just like it came from the store. It hadn't molded or anything. Anything that could last that long isn't food. It's plastic. I haven't knowingly eaten margarine ever since.


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#12049676 - 05/23/17 Re: Don't eat Gas Station Nacho Cheese [Re: persiandog]  
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