Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Rifles Tired of the 6.5 Creedmore

A 123 Scenar has a BC of .527, and probably starts 300+ fps faster right out of the gate.

The new Hornady 147 ELD has a BC of .697 and probably has 150+ fps on the Woodleigh. Its science, not opinion.

My attraction would be that 270 performance in a short action. You are probably right - 270 performance, which would be pretty neat in a short action and more compact rifle. Actually maybe a little better because of better BC in 6.5mm. I have never shot a creedmoor or a 260, so I am sure not trying take anything away from those rounds. I just think 270ish performance in short action would be kind of neat. In a way, a fast 6.5mm in a short action fills a similar position in short action cartridges as does the 7mm mag in standard action - fast, flat, good bc and sd. Not the the equivalent of 7mm, more a like a counterpart in SA. I haven't been around the wsm cartridges - 6.5 wsm may be great or a little too much of a good thing

I have heard of a new one Hornady is working on 6.5 PRC. There were rumors of Ruger chambering it a while ago.

I have yet to see an animal die from numbers on paper.
When I was 20-something I could repeatedly keep 10 rounds in a 12" circle at 500 yards with my as issue, open sight, several times Depot Overhauled, Turbo Hydramatic/Winchester/Colt M16A1 with issued M193 ammo. Goose loose crap rifle with crap issue ammo though fired prone with a tight sling, many thousands of us qualified Expert with such a crumby combo.
Take the scopes off your "Creeds" and see if you can do better than that. But, but, but.....Oh, Yep, You don't gots iron sights. LOL.
How many thousand yard records with the "Creed" are smaller than the record with a 30 caliber cartridge? Oh, but, but, but, LOL

OK, I admit, there was a dog that ate my homework and the vet could't save him.

Are you daft? I'm not shooting an elk with a Scenar or Hornady match bullet. Even the ELD-X line has marginal terminal performance. And why would I want to move down to a 140 when the 160 has plenty of reach?

The 260 and the 6.5 Creedmoor have the same capacity.

Apparently mediocre is good enough for some when ability is somewhat lacking to achieve greatness.

You're going to run into COAL issues with longer VLD bullets in a Remington short action if the case length is greater than 47mm. The 260, 6.5-284, 6.5 SAUM, and 6.5 WSM all have cases longer than 47mm.

The 270 WSM, 7mm SAUM, and 7mm WSM all approximate 270 WIN/280 REM performance in a short action and while the longer 6.5mm VLD bullets have superior BC numbers, they may be too long to fit into the SA magazine.

Just as an FYI, and I know you are generally aware of this Jeff but just to clarify... that can be addressed a few different ways. First, proper spec of the throating cut on the reamer... by way of example, my 6.5 SAUM on a Rem SA kisses the lands with a 140 ELD @ 2.820 COAL, because that's how Gardner at GAP spec's the PTG reamer I used. Second, it's really easy to modify a Rem SA action for a Wyatt's extended box... on my 7 WSM that's built on a Rem SA, I get 2.925" COAL. A guy could literally modify the action cleanly with a file, though I used a mill. Third, if you use a DBM/AICS mag setup you can get over 3" of COAL.

Remington short actions are wonderful things (I know we agree about that ) capable of superb accuracy and with the short mags, they don't give up much that matters to a LA chambering... if a guy addresses the COAL issue through a combo of the above 3 methods it's smooth sailing...