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What does that show queen top out at? Maybe 140? I gotta sleeper in my shop that will run just shy of 190 and a hot rod Harley that went 9.18 @ 143 MPH in the quarter.This year we will have it in the high eights.

Most of the illegals here in WA came to pic crops on the dry side or plant/thin trees on the wet side of the state. The jobs that I see them doing are jobs that wouldnt be filled by locals anyway. I dont know about the rest of the country but here you cant find a legale resident thats willing to do alot of the crappy low paying jobs.
I dont think Paradise is in much trouble of beeing over run with illegals, there isnt enough work for them to make the trip.

Jamie

See. Nothing of substance. Tossing insults without knowing one damned thing about me or my life. It's the only thing you can do, you haven't answered a single point I made and further there is no answer to the point that you threaten, cuss, and insult instead of argue. Nor to the one that you bury good threads with copious posts that add nothing to the argument.

You're a bore. Your 5th grade level english skills spread over about 6 pages of inane chatter killed one of the best threads we've had here all winter. You killed it and I'm done with it.

You want to see my accomplishments? Watch SportsCenter, we'll lift a few this year.

Will

The Owner makes 300 times more because we are in a Capitalist society. If somebodyelse told an owner that he could only make 10% more or the same as every worker we woould be a socialist society. I wish more CEO's and Owners made a million times more than their employees.....gives you something to strive for...

Probably less than 12% in my home town now. Years ago it was a thriving community where many folks had decent-to-very good unionized factory jobs. Very little unemployment and crime.

About twenty years ago the factories folded up their tents and went elsewhere after years of strikes and unreasonable labor demands. Now the folks that were bitching that they were "only" making $20 hr. at that time are working at Wal Mart or bagging groceries...if they are lucky.

The town has really gone downhill due to high unemployment; comfortable and clean middle-class neighborhoods are now crack houses, and gang members control street corners in some areas. I believe that most folks want to work and these people would if there were still decent jobs in town.

But the unions took care of that. They got too greedy and stupid, straying far from their original good purposes of years past.

djmbow says:

Hurray...........finally some common sense prevails!

Only took 383 posts, but we finally got here.

TBaker5390, I think you slammed it my friend.

Good going!

Seems simple to me....a Socialist looks @ the CEO making a ton more than him and whines and calls unfair...unjust... damnet he should be as miserable as me....A Capitalist looks @ the same CEO and says Damn lucky Bastid and then strives to achieve the same!

I've lived in N.California,Western Orygun and Western Washington,as well as Alaska.

There are simply zero options here,for a boatload of Wetbacks,because the work scene is night/day different.

Housing costs,food/fuel costs,travel costs and the like,tend to nip such things in the buds. There are no homeless bums here either,because the pickings are far better/easier,in most every other locale. As is the weather.

We've no fast food chains,no laundry service,no paint shops,no mechanic shops,no agricultural crops to pick/harvest and are largely insulated,for them reasons too.

Now is it plausible that the Resident Commercial Fishing "fleet",is gonna be giddy to hire Wetbacks for a coupla months of summertime Salmon Pickin'?!? I'd have to wager "no".

Is there likely to be a surge in Charter Operators,trying to outbid eachother for Wetbacks steeped in the knowledge of the local waters and local fish haunts,to man their $100K+ vessels at the helm,on their ventures? I can't see that happening either,because some Chimichanga in the driver's seat,is gonna cause word to spread like Wild Fire and word of mouth is about all it takes,to bust a business of that type.

Are Wetbacks gonna band together,teach themselves to Cut Timber,run equipment,change roads,drive truck,get a powder license/drill & shoot and overtake the Operators that have lived here and started/run those ventures? Nope.

Are the Wetbacks gonna overtake the Forest Circus and Post Office and send those gents packing,with their arrival? Nope.

Do the local Teachers set on pins and needles,fretting Wetbacks bumping them outta their jobs? Nope.

There's much beauty,to the inner workings of a small/quaint Community,insulating itself from many things.

Hate to burst them bubbles,but that's how the ball bounces......................

'guin,

Retreat is your best move,as per always and at least you've that figured out.

You're learnin'.......................

Unions lead to crap like this....
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,248903,00.html

"I'd say anyone who's been on a job 2, 3 or 5 years tops has had ample time to make their employer know exactly why you are a valued employee, and to compensate you well for being thus. If there aren't other companies trying to hire you away, either your industry is dead, or you haven't done your part to become a valued employee.

In any industry the level of competition is typically so low it's scary how easy it is to make it to the top. The basics are, show up on time, make sure you know who you work for and how to make them happy. If you can't make a deadline for a good reason, as soon as you know you can't make the date let the powers that be know in advance. Get a modicome of work done and know how your company makes money, and make money for them. I've yet to see how a union can benefit one in achieving that. Have often seen how folks with a good work ethic get pulled down by those that haven't."

That is actually some very good stuff.

My wife worked her ass off for over thirty years at a very hard job. Now that she's retired, though, she's getting it back... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Sorry, but as a shareholder in a bunch of different companies I disagree with what CEOs are making. It is a good old boy network with little room at the top and many competent +P, educated and hard working individuals ready to take their places and do a better job. But they will not ever get a chance and if they do will be corrupted into the system immediately. (Hint they are there waiting for the chance for a reason!)

When failing companies losing money at Niagra speeds pay bonuses to CEOs it should be considered theft. As a shareholder I do not see my money being used to its full potential when reward is not based on performance. When it gives employees the option of pointing a finger at management and legitamately crying foul it only makes it harder for my money to make money for me.

These jerks are NOT the capitalists, they are just the strongest parasites.
art

p.s. I don't know you, I don't know anybody named Bulletbutt, and I've never heard of this forum...

So, after 393 posts over 12 pages (on my setup), are the unions down to 11% yet?

They are gonna pass the coffer,strike for a spell,then retally.

You'll have results,in about 8 months................

Not sure how your bad investments has anythig to do with Unions but if your trying to say that the actions of a few bad CEO's should lead us down a path that we should put limits on what Owners pay themselves or their CEO's then it is the same argument that Anti gun people make when the actions of criminals should dictate what legal gun owners can/cannot have.
Life is a lot easier when your not jealous of others.

I don't know where you been but .... Mexican labor has been on the Island for many years !!!! Who do you think is doing the thinning for the USFS and the corp lands? And the tree planting several years ago. Some of those guys have even stayed and now call the Island home. I remember several Mexicans on riggen crews I worked on over the years. It's common to have Mexicans on logging crews in ID, MT, CO, NM, CA, So OR and AZ also. One of my cousins side-rodded logging crews back in the late '60's in CO and those crews were almost all Mexicans.

But I've also logged with Natives, Oregonians, Washingtonians, New Yorkers and even a black or two !!!!!!!

Wrangell imported Mexican labor for their cannery like over 10 or 12 years ago. Ketchikan had to do the same thing in recent years.

Ed Head hired a few back in the day and more quickly followed. At one time I would imagine that almost half the Mill workers were from East LA and Chula Vista. Some of those guys stayed and heaven forbid are now property and business owners and have grand kinds in town. I'm sure you have even used some of their services.

You know I even picked up an east Indian or Arab lady (dressed like Muslem to me, and knew very little english) and her young daughter on the way to the ferry, after their car broke down, not long ago.

Your locale and mine,is night/day,as is Colorado and other States mentioned.

The Thinners ain't Illegals,I have talked with them and had them working next to several Log Camps I was in. We often brought them to town,helped with the logistics of both grub and gas,as well as made booze runs for those boys.

Saw a Thinner yesterday on some Native holdings and it was the same local gent,who seems to win all the bids he can drive to,less being away from home in Camp. He's been doing that,since I first came here and typically works solo. I never liked splitting scale,either.

A Cannery 12 years ago in Wrangell,is moot,as is all pertaining to Ketchikan.

Which is/was my point,obviously.................

All the following is your 'locale' and I would say that a chance of some being 'Illegals' is more than good.

There here !!!!!! Oh and we have had 'in your locale' area 'homeless bums' .....

"But I've also logged with Natives, Oregonians, Washingtonians, New Yorkers and even a black or two !!!!!!!
Ed Head hired a few back in the day and more quickly followed. At one time I would imagine that almost half the Mill workers were from East LA and Chula Vista.
Mexican labor has been on the Island for many years !!!! Who do you think is doing the thinning for the USFS and the corp lands? And the tree planting several years ago."