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In fairness, I think he appointed himself rather than be chosen by Trump. His name is Robert Jeffress and he has a recurring gig on Fox along with being the Pastor of First Baptist of Dallas.

He pastored First Baptist in Wichita Falls prior to being "called" to Dallas. He loves media attention and today I heard he had blessed a Trump in whatever action he chose to take against N K., using Paul's letter to the Romans as a basis.

He was forever grabbing local headlines here. One example was when he found out the local public library bought two copies of " Heather has two Mommies" to loan out. When he couldn't shame the Library Board into burning them, he asked his congregation to keep the books checked out and pay the fines so tender eyes wouldn't be subjected to it.

That's not the sort of thing Baptist Pastors do as a rule.

We went to his church one Easter Sunday thinking we would see the usual special presentations and hear special music. The entire hour was devoted to a video of the architects drawing for a new sanctuary and a plea for donations to the building fund.

Raising the money for the new building was his ticket to Dallas.

Looking at him reminds me of what an old Mississippi Riverboat Captain told his son, who told it to me:

" Don't trust no SOB if you can put bof his eyes out with one finger."


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Trump and a Baptist preacher..... Sounds like the beginning of a joke......


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i thought trump man was a presbyterian, his mom being from scotland and all. sorry, carry-on.


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Normal preacher. Praise the Lord and pass the plate. [bleep] making 4-5 times more than the average member of the congregation.
Bible says "Jesus wept". He should looking down here seeing what pricks do in his name.
Wasn't it Gandhi that said " I like your Christ, but not your Christian's. They are so unlike your Christ"
Guy might have wore a diaper, but he was spot on.



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Originally Posted by jackmountain
Normal preacher. Praise the Lord and pass the plate. [bleep] making 4-5 times more than the average member of the congregation.
Bible says "Jesus wept". He should looking down here seeing what pricks do in his name.
Wasn't it Gandhi that said " I like your Christ, but not your Christian's. They are so unlike your Christ"
Guy might have wore a diaper, but he was spot on.


That has not been my experience at all. And I doubt yours either, but carry on with your nonsense if you must. Statistics don't back up what you're saying.

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The church has been corrupt for hundreds of years. Fully 75% of the preachers I've known would have been fired and 1/2 would be in prison today if they had to meet the same ethical standards as most government employees. About 1 in 4 that I've known were honest decent people. There is simply too much money, too little work and no oversight in the ministry profession. And that is what it has become, a business.


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They just want constant reassurance that what they believe is the truth.
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Preachers have their own agenda. Some good. Some bad.

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Originally Posted by JMR40
The church has been corrupt for hundreds of years. Fully 75% of the preachers I've known would have been fired and 1/2 would be in prison today if they had to meet the same ethical standards as most government employees. About 1 in 4 that I've known were honest decent people. There is simply too much money, too little work and no oversight in the ministry profession. And that is what it has become, a business.

Come down to Leesburg and you can attend church with us. Your conclusions would be proven 100% incorrect.


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Originally Posted by DakotaDeer
Originally Posted by jackmountain
Normal preacher. Praise the Lord and pass the plate. [bleep] making 4-5 times more than the average member of the congregation.
Bible says "Jesus wept". He should looking down here seeing what pricks do in his name.
Wasn't it Gandhi that said " I like your Christ, but not your Christian's. They are so unlike your Christ"
Guy might have wore a diaper, but he was spot on.


That has not been my experience at all. And I doubt yours either, but carry on with your nonsense if you must. Statistics don't back up what you're saying.


American median income $44,000.00
Senior pastor $95,000.00

My experience has taught me to be very wary of preachers. Glad your experience has been different.



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I liked it when Jeffreys essentially told his congregation that this nation needs a good baass to straighten stuff up.
I like him a lot more better than zeros GD America preacher. wink

Good perceptive non PC truth telling preachers need more bigger sanctuaries. Im tired of those mealy mouth bastids who say they are afraid of losing their tax exempt status and are afraid of losing a few bucks by pissing off old yellow dog dimocrats to tell it like it is. He has guts and lays them on the line, which is why he needs a bigger sanctuary.




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The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.

A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.

"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".

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He's got some decent people giving him spiritual advice and some real losers too.

One of those being Paula White, can't believe he'd let her set foot in the White House. She's one of those that's made a career out of "doing the Lord's work", including nailing Benny Hinn.

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Im sick of those worthless "vote yer conscience" bastids.



Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.

A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.

"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".

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Simply a representation of modern American society. The average "American" is a worthless piece of mooching entitled [bleep], regardless of occupation. Organized religion has not been spared of this curse among their membership. Everybody needs something to help them get by. I'll stick with alcohol.



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Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.

A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.

"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".

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Alchyhaul sounds like a proven strategy.


Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.

A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.

"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".

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Originally Posted by jackmountain

American median income $44,000.00
Senior pastor $95,000.00

My experience has taught me to be very wary of preachers. Glad your experience has been different.


What is the education level of these "Senior Pastors"?


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Originally Posted by jackmountain
Originally Posted by DakotaDeer
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Normal preacher. Praise the Lord and pass the plate. [bleep] making 4-5 times more than the average member of the congregation.
Bible says "Jesus wept". He should looking down here seeing what pricks do in his name.
Wasn't it Gandhi that said " I like your Christ, but not your Christian's. They are so unlike your Christ"
Guy might have wore a diaper, but he was spot on.


That has not been my experience at all. And I doubt yours either, but carry on with your nonsense if you must. Statistics don't back up what you're saying.


American median income $44,000.00
Senior pastor $95,000.00

My experience has taught me to be very wary of preachers. Glad your experience has been different.

most senior pastors have a doctorate degree, about 9 years of post HS education.
What do most other people holding doctorates make?

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Thank you, rphguy. I was hoping someone else would weigh in with some facts.


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Originally Posted by OSU_Sig
Thank you, rphguy. I was hoping someone else would weigh in with some facts.

LOL> I am a senior pastor myself. Albeit, I am the only pastor on staff and I'm bi-vocational. Also a pharmacist.

I have a Master of Divinity Degree. I make about $22K as a bi-vo pastor.
Am I overpaid also according to the other guy?

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Originally Posted by jackmountain
Originally Posted by DakotaDeer
Originally Posted by jackmountain
Normal preacher. Praise the Lord and pass the plate. [bleep] making 4-5 times more than the average member of the congregation.
Bible says "Jesus wept". He should looking down here seeing what pricks do in his name.
Wasn't it Gandhi that said " I like your Christ, but not your Christian's. They are so unlike your Christ"
Guy might have wore a diaper, but he was spot on.


That has not been my experience at all. And I doubt yours either, but carry on with your nonsense if you must. Statistics don't back up what you're saying.


American median income $44,000.00
Senior pastor $95,000.00

My experience has taught me to be very wary of preachers. Glad your experience has been different.


I would hazard to guess that you don't attend Church and use your vast experience as a good excuse. In my possibly not so vast experience,I've known several pastors. I've not yet met one that made 1/2 the minimum wage if you counted all the hours worked. Most pastors actually work two full time jobs with their Pastor job taking just about every hour of the day away from their wives and families. Most of the time it's a hard thankless job where you constantly have cheap ass holes concerned that you are stealing the dollar they put in the collection plate. I've known a bunch that used the money from their second job to subsidize the church income just to keep the lights on.

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