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There s little doubt that after HRC's stunning defeat in November that the Democrats and the Left banded together to create a strategy to bring down Trump and the GOP. Part of it they already had in place, which is the civil disobedience wing of the movement. We've lived through Code Pink, Occupy Wall Street, BLM and now they bring to us Antifa. Classic Communist AND Nazi strategies to destabilize a country ad a government. That is exactly what the Communists did in every country they went into. That we the strategy Che Guevara was so adept at. John Lewis and Hosea Williams were agitators for MLK. They would go into a city a week r two before a march and get the people all stirred up for King's arrival.

Second part of the Dem strategy is to block anything that Trump tries to accomplish, be it cabinet appointments or legislation. They are not going to play ball on anything. Cleaver because over sticky issues like Obamacare they are just going to sit back and let the GOP bicker among themselves while they sit smugly on the sidelines. There is no negotiation with them on anything. That is a huge difference between what Reagan had to work with and what Trump has to work with. The Dems negotiated with Reagan. No way will they oblige Trump.

Last is a constant attack on the people around Trump. Make no mistake, they want to bring Trump down, but are doing so by brings down his cabinet and staff. Manafort, Mathis, Sessions, Prebius, they are after Bannon now. This won't stop. They will always have another target. Alinisky at work - keep the pressure on.

What strategies can Trump use to combat the Left.

First of all, go through his staff and his cabinet and get rid of anybody not 100% on board. During the Civil War, Lincoln had to shuffle through generals until he settled on Grant to run things. No reason Trump shouldn't be allowed to do the same. He's only 200 days into his term. Get people that will stay the course and follow his leadership.

Second, I'd use direct messages to the American people other than Twitter. Youtube them. Make them the 21st Century version of FDRs Fireside Chats.

Third, Stop the leakers now! Rumor has it the White House is getting an ultra thorough search for bugs and listening devices left by BHO and company. Could be pure fantasy, but at this point, the leaks are coming from somewhere.

Last, unmask the organizers and the money sources for the ANTIFA and other paid protesters. Out them publicly. Explain to the people that these people are professional protest organizers, where they come from, what they have been involved in and who is paying them. Get it out there and get it out often. Use Alinsky against them. Isolate, polarize the opposition. Put them in the spotlight and on the defense.

Who has other strategies to combat the Left?


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Other than open revolt like what happened in Charlottesville in response to the orchestrated riots from the left, I'm not seeing it. They own the means of communication and education. EVERY TV station, even here in the so-called conservative enclave of northern Florida is calling it 'The White Supremacist March'. It's everywhere and Lenin's axiom of if you tell a lie often and loud enough, it becomes reality. The Richmond event at the Robert e Lee statue will be the next big test.


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I think you've hit the high points.

On the last issue, I.e., the outing of the Leftist guerillas, I'd be pretty aggressive. Since the FBI is packed with Democrat supporters, I'd form a new "squad" using a different agency... Secret, Service, for example. Initiate high level snooping on these folks, find their money men, their organizational charts, etc., and start arresting and prosecuting them. There's no point in complaining about them in the press, the media won't cover the story with anything like impartiality. Just arrest, prosecute, and imprison them. Nail them on tax evasion. Whatever it takes.


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I agree with most all of that. As well as what we can do to stop it. (besides bullets, at this point)

One thing I find interesting and truly bottom of the barrel is the Left's new attack to remove and discredit him through racism.

The Russia narrative, although screamed at the top of their lungs for a year didn't invoke the violence, protests and riots they wanted...

So, they revert back to the race card to get what they want.

The violent race protests/riots and narrative not only paints Trump as a racist KKK supporter, but paints ALL of US with the same brush!

The media and liberals everywhere, even the Left Wing Republicans... will now get into high gear with this schidt.

Fuggin' Lindsey Graham, Little Marco, Paul Ryan and John McCain will join the choir along with many republicans.

How do we shut THAT down?


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Originally Posted by hatari
...Use Alinsky against them. Isolate, polarize the opposition. Put them in the spotlight and on the defense....


This is the best way to defeat them. Use every Alinsky tactic including ridiculing them, but do it in a way that doesn't resort to name-calling or cursing them. It can be done. Mock them, treat them as little children.

In their hubris, they neglect to recognize that they are subject to the same tactics, in fact they are more susceptible to them than we have been because (for the most part) they think on an emotional level, not a practical one. They underestimate us because we have allowed them to roll right over us time after time.

You don't have to get into a detailed argument with them, use their tactic of distraction by picking only one small part of their argument and then ridicule it. All they can see and hear is that they are being attacked, not their message. Remember, that is what they are they are doing to you.

Ignore the attack on you, it isn't about your message, it's trying to get you to emotionally react to them and make you look foolish or childish and they are the mature, adult one. This is pure psychological warfare, folks, not a game, not some left-over high school B.S. where you get to let your ego get hurt. This is for the win. The win over freedom. The win over control of your life, the lives of your children, and your grandchildren.

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When they're having a rally bring in the scooper trucks a la Soylent Green and haul them to the fertilizer factory. grin

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What momentum they couldn't gain from the Russian Collusion narrative they will surely make up with this new Race Card attack.

There's no shortage of participants for both sides. Niether being smart enough to realize they are only pawns.

It could get bloody real quick.

Once the lid is off, there's no putting it back on.


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Arrest Soro's, and put a hold on His money so that He can't hire "protesters". And any others that are found. Arrest those that break laws at protests. If the States will not do this, declare martial law and get it done. miles


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Hatari-"Use Alinski against them" Absolutely, if your opposition has an effective weapon capture it and use it. Especially the use of mocking and derision. Expose their stupidity with satire and scorn. They can't stand to be made fun of and Trump is a master at exposing stupidity with biting insults. Judging from the county by county maps at least about 80% of the land area of this country votes with us.


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Originally Posted by APDDSN0864
Originally Posted by hatari
...Use Alinsky against them. Isolate, polarize the opposition. Put them in the spotlight and on the defense....


This is the best way to defeat them. Use every Alinsky tactic including ridiculing them, but do it in a way that doesn't resort to name-calling or cursing them. It can be done. Mock them, treat them as little children.

In their hubris, they neglect to recognize that they are subject to the same tactics, in fact they are more susceptible to them than we have been because (for the most part) they think on an emotional level, not a practical one. They underestimate us because we have allowed them to roll right over us time after time.

You don't have to get into a detailed argument with them, use their tactic of distraction by picking only one small part of their argument and then ridicule it. All they can see and hear is that they are being attacked, not their message. Remember, that is what they are they are doing to you.

Ignore the attack on you, it isn't about your message, it's trying to get you to emotionally react to them and make you look foolish or childish and they are the mature, adult one. This is pure psychological warfare, folks, not a game, not some left-over high school B.S. where you get to let your ego get hurt. This is for the win. The win over freedom. The win over control of your life, the lives of your children, and your grandchildren.

Ed



Very good Ed.

When answering the lefts constant attacks, the right spends most of it's time on defense, so can accomplish little of substance to further the agenda of cleaning up America. The best you could do is ignore the left and move forward. Spend all your time replacing leftists wherever they're entrenched. Systematically root them out of positions of influence. Minimize, neuter, replace, marginalize,


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Beat them to death with stubbornness, truth and the Constitution, Trump gets another couple picks, The Supreme's will take care of the rest.


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Originally Posted by hatari
There s little doubt that after HRC's stunning defeat in November that the Democrats and the Left banded together to create a strategy to bring down Trump and the GOP. Part of it they already had in place, which is the civil disobedience wing of the movement. We've lived through Code Pink, Occupy Wall Street, BLM and now they bring to us Antifa. Classic Communist AND Nazi strategies to destabilize a country ad a government. That is exactly what the Communists did in every country they went into. That we the strategy Che Guevara was so adept at. John Lewis and Hosea Williams were agitators for MLK. They would go into a city a week r two before a march and get the people all stirred up for King's arrival.

Second part of the Dem strategy is to block anything that Trump tries to accomplish, be it cabinet appointments or legislation. They are not going to play ball on anything. Cleaver because over sticky issues like Obamacare they are just going to sit back and let the GOP bicker among themselves while they sit smugly on the sidelines. There is no negotiation with them on anything. That is a huge difference between what Reagan had to work with and what Trump has to work with. The Dems negotiated with Reagan. No way will they oblige Trump.

Last is a constant attack on the people around Trump. Make no mistake, they want to bring Trump down, but are doing so by brings down his cabinet and staff. Manafort, Mathis, Sessions, Prebius, they are after Bannon now. This won't stop. They will always have another target. Alinisky at work - keep the pressure on.

What strategies can Trump use to combat the Left.

First of all, go through his staff and his cabinet and get rid of anybody not 100% on board. During the Civil War, Lincoln had to shuffle through generals until he settled on Grant to run things. No reason Trump shouldn't be allowed to do the same. He's only 200 days into his term. Get people that will stay the course and follow his leadership.

Second, I'd use direct messages to the American people other than Twitter. Youtube them. Make them the 21st Century version of FDRs Fireside Chats.

Third, Stop the leakers now! Rumor has it the White House is getting an ultra thorough search for bugs and listening devices left by BHO and company. Could be pure fantasy, but at this point, the leaks are coming from somewhere.

Last, unmask the organizers and the money sources for the ANTIFA and other paid protesters. Out them publicly. Explain to the people that these people are professional protest organizers, where they come from, what they have been involved in and who is paying them. Get it out there and get it out often. Use Alinsky against them. Isolate, polarize the opposition. Put them in the spotlight and on the defense.

Who has other strategies to combat the Left?


Good post. Clean house inside the government of uniparty drones, and use law enforcement to bust up these ANTIFA agitators. If word gets out that your little payday for acting in a protest might end in a busted head or jail time, you'll see the number of public protest and agitation will drop dramatically. The best defense is a good offense. They're not gonna give our country back, We The People are gonna hafta TAKE IT BACK!
That means we got work to do as well. We allowed this to happen, and MAGA is a job for all of us. Trump is our leader, and he needs our support!
Start writing letters and calling congressmen. Make it clear that the President has our support, and that opposing him is gonna make them unemployed.
If we allow this to go on, we're gonna lose out.
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A lot of this stuff lately has passed the Alinsky stage.

They have the smell of blood in their noses.


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I don't see much left other than violence, to combat what the left has done to America. The schools, the media,t he government are all devoted to the destruction of America as we know it. Culture wars are raging, we are losing.
At what point will the conservatives realize what they are up against, what the stakes are, and how little time we have left to combat it?


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Treat them as nobodies. The anarchist left wants the TV time and the recognition because it gives them validity. Unfortunately someone has already said it. They own the media. They are so mad about Hillary the [bleep] losing they don't care if they take down the rest of the country. At this point and time the "white supremists" need to lay low and start sending their elected representatives letters telling them they support Mr. Trump and his efforts to drain the swamp. Victory can be had at the ballot box if they refocus their efforts. Hear again, that's a slow painful process and many want results right now.

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I like the OP's second point I'm not sure why it hasn't been done already. As has already been pointed out the left controls the media and they establish the narratives and terminology. That in turn controls how the uninformed masses view the world. In today's internet work it's sad but true traditional msm news and TV are still the primary shapers of the political news. The good thing is that Trump could change that just as FDR did with radio, JFK used TV. Trump could use internet media outlets.
I cringe everytime I see a riot on TV and the left refers to it as "civil unrest" that's just one example of dozens In which the left changes terms through msm to shape public thought.
The media portrays the garbage in VA as "Nazis" attacking peace loving "counter protesters" while never mentioning a word about antifa being a group founded by communist and full of self declared communist and anarchist with a core belief that they have a right to use violence against anyone that they disagree with. Yet most of the general public just hears it being reported by msm and accepts it as fact.
As I said I think the idea of the President putting out his own media show is a great one but beyond that I don't know how much can be done.
The downfall of a democracy is that the masses are lazy morons and easily fooled by pop culture. Which is why our forefathers intended for this country to be a representational republic. Today the clowns are running the show and I'm not sure that America will ever be what it once was. How can it be it's already not what our forefathers intended. To many morons with a vote for silly politicians to pander to.

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We are now experiencing the American version of Germany's "Kristallnacht", the Night of broken Glass of November 9, 1938. Removing the remaining statues of Civil War history will continue.

I wish it wasn't so as more blood will be spilled before this is over.....The propaganda machine of Joseph Goebbels in 1938 is no different than the liberal propaganda machine we have now.

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Originally Posted by Mittenman

The media portrays the garbage in VA as "Nazis" attacking peace loving "counter protesters" while never mentioning a word about antifa being a group founded by communist and full of self declared communist and anarchist with a core belief that they have a right to use violence against anyone that they disagree with. Yet most of the general public just hears it being reported and accepts it as fact.


,...and the media has convinced you that those people who were attacked by Antifa is garbage.

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