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Yes facts. In the context that they were used, I would call the following terms racist, and intending solely to provoke.

Chink
Dog Eaters
Chinkwanese
JipJap
Blindfolded with dental floss

And the topper "Chinks aint people".

I really thought you were a better man than this.

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Scott

LOL! Aw shucks, just when I was getting excited...This is far too easy. You already getting upset, taking your marbles and running home for a Fluffernutter sandwich and a nice cup of tomato soup out of your favorite slurpy cup?

Sheeit...

Light can be kind of tough on the eyes once it shines through, huh? Cowards and halfwits (for definition, see 'Stick and Kutenay) often resort to bigotry as a last resort. It's not surprising; quite the contrary, actually. Glad to see them exposing themselves here for what they are: no account, spineless bums.

I'm only vaguely recalling the original story, but I'm seeing red flags here.

How old is this kid (the bully)?

Admirable to be proficient in a martial art, but this bully kid has already proven he ain't interested in fighting fair when him and his buddies jumped your son. I dunno for example, what level of belt ya gotta be at to do something like fight off three guys jumping you with baseball bats.

The fact that his parents never contacted you and the fact that the bully kid didn't show up again at school considerably subdued from the ass-whupping he shoulda gotten at home after that first attack tells me his home life prob'ly sucks, big time.

The point being that kid bears watching, I dunno what the penalty for fighting is at that school, but expect him to be back before the end of the semester.

Birdwatcher

Put em boxing and school wrestling. I did both very well for quite a few years. Now teach both. I definitely would not feel unprepared against someone who is just a black belt in one of the Martial arts. They are a waste of money with a bunch of bulcrap forms that serve no purpose. Martial arts is just a racket to make money anymore. Well rounded is where it's at. Most street fights end up on the ground with kids. Which of course there are NO rules in a street fight.

Regardless of anything else, you gotta admit he can turn a phrase. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

t

Well said, although to my mind there *is* one rule in a street fight: win by ANY means, otherwise be prepared to deal with the consequences. When you are trying to defend against someone trying to do you harm, the concept of 'dirty fighting' means nothing at all.

I'd lay dollars to dim sum that Shtick's experience actually dancing with any Asian boys is limited to his cartoonish dreams, and usually follows the recurring one he has where he wishes that he'd reached a height greater than 5' 4". Lots of moist pillow mornings he's seen, eh Shtick? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

"Well rounded is where it's at. Most street fights end up on the ground with kids. Which of course there are NO rules in a street fight. "

Nuff' said.


Mac

The bully is about two years older than my g'son... ninth grader, as opposed to seventh. He's not a particularly skilled fighter. He seems to just lose his temper, and physically lash out. Someone who can keep their head can keep him from ever landing a second blow. That's what any of the disciplines are about: Having presence of mind, and some basic tools.

The particular master he and his brother are studying with is unusually good. I've watched as he's taught them the moves, and then has taught them how to string them together into progressively more useful fight strategies. One way or another, he's teaching them to relentlessly attack, and to land punches and kicks as fast as possible. I had to laugh when I realized that the first kick he taught them was right in the balls.

When they get to green belt, they do sparring with padded vests and headgear. I've watched some of them in action, and the better ones do well enough to keep the initiative. That's coming pretty soon for my g'sons. Practice is good.

Yeah, the bully's home life is interesting. Highly affected, status conscious parents, who are in deep denial that their kid needs professional help. I know him well enough to know that he is quite an artful liar, and has them completely buffaloed.

Oh... the comments about boxing and wrestling... yes, those are very helpful disciplines. My youngest son, now mid-30's, was in wrestling in elementary school. One kid just kept tormenting him, so one day he flopped the kid down and put a knee on his throat, and said, "It's not that I can't take you down. It's just that I choose not to." That ended that, without a lot of parental or teacher intervention.

I dunno the nature of the school, and neither do I care to ask here on a public forum. My own frame of reference is public school, where a ninth grader would be off at high school and a seventh grader still in middle school.

A good thing is at that age the age difference is pretty big, a ninth grader oughtta be running in entirely different social circles.

In the context of my frame of reference its not about one on one fighting skills and fair fights, its about premeditated evil, of the sort where a fight ain't necessarily over with a fight. But I might be misjudging the community in this case.

I will say what works best in a public school setting is the law, as in fines and criminal charges against the actor, both of which DO get the attention of the parents when it hits them square in the wallet.

One thing I have leared over the years is that things can go far beyond encouraging the kid to "stand up for themselves", sometimes things can go beyond what a kid could or should be expected to handle. Worse, the kids themselves are likely to tell you only half of what is going on.

Neither do other kids commonly consider intervention by parents in such things as cowardice on the part of a kid. To that age ALL adults are sort of a vague outside community peripheral to student society. Mostly they evaluate the demeanor of the kid himself. Having your child practice ANY form of physical combat is a good thing, but not by any means a panacea.

Ninth grade? Now come the druggie years, another thing to watch for.

Sorry if I'm way off base here.

Birdwatcher

If current times are anything like when I was a kid, beating up an older kid means fighting his pards in succession (or combination) until you lose and the pecking order is somewhat reestablished. You'll have more respect when it's over, but it will be a helluva road. The choice to fight now was often made based on who you'd have to fight later.

Street fights are decided in the first 15-seconds. If it takes longer, neither participant really wants to fight in the first place and are likely just trying to save face in front of their pards. Cutesy martial arts have no place in a real fight - a combination of boxing and judo skills are where it's at plus a 100% willingness to kill the bastid you're fighting.

I know, we're talking kids here, but that doesn't change the mindset required to win over a tough opponent. Mothers probably hold a different opinion, but they've never been there.

Martial arts can be useful, but mindset is the big thing. Be always prepared and when attacked, counter attack unmercifully till it's over. NEVER take half measures when you health and well being are at risk. If willing to do that all training just becomes icing on the cake.

Good for him! But remember one thing: a motivated/dedicated black belt holder can be no match for a bully who has several pals with him... Along with the classes, ensure your boy works at building a network of friends that he can be with at times..

Numbers, man, it's all numbers...

BTW, make darned sure you or the parent complains LOUDLY to the school's principal. They are, by law in many states and by policy in all, required to deal with bullies. Problem is, many times it's the "naughty, naughty, don't do that again" syndrome. INSIST on action. Ask to have the local police meet with you and the principal at his office. Ask for permission to bring a voice recorder and get their response on tape (or digital). Tell them in no uncertain terms that any further problems with this particular bully will result in (1) charges being brought and (2) legal action against the schools, (3) formal complaint written to the state education board...

I had a similar problem. Six to eight little azzholes ganging up on my son. He was a green belt TKD. I complained on two other occasions to the principal. This last time, I had the cop with me, a voice recorder and demanded action.

Two of the little [bleep] were kicked out of school. The rest got their attitudes adjusted via the cop. So far, NO more problems at school...

Best to you.

+1!!!

Mindset, Mindset, Mindset. There is absolutely no time for doubt or indecision with respect to your response when the sh*t hits the fan. I have seen well "trained" fighters hesitate because they did not analyze what their response would be in various situations and come to peace with those decisions.

In the circles I grew up/ran with,one couldn't even count whippin' a Chink as a "win". It was just a natural course of business,that didn't rate high enough,to tally.

I'm built right for alotta things and ain't never not been thankful,for the stepping stone..................

I disagree. I'd rather not see any of Stick exposed. In fact, I don't have much interest in seeing ANY of you guys exposing yourselves............. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

lHonda, I have read your comments about me, although I have not participated in this thread and wonder exactly why you chose to drag me into this discussion. You state that I am a ...halfwit...a coward...a no-account, spineless bum... and, yet, I have not said ANYTHING here at all.

I wonder at your deliberate attempt to malign me and involve me in one of your frequent diatribes against other posters as I was under the impression that you do not enjoy engaging in such behaviour and resort to it only to assuage your inner torment about being of mixed racial heritage. So, it appears that you are as hypocritical as ever, hardly surprising given your history here.

Do you ever wonder WHY so many posters here have the same impression of your often misspelled rants about your ludicrous attitudes? Perhaps it is because most of us can see you for the foolish, little jerk you are and actually are getting bored with your bullschitt, eh?

As to your continual sexual references regarding Stick and Bart, the Freudian implications here are quite telling. So, kindly leave me out of your neurotic blether as I prefer to ignore/avoid you.

I've banged a few Chinks and would state as means of comparitive evaluation,they really didn't show me anything in that department either.

Would be easy to scratch 'em off the list for everything,barring Laundry services,they got that down................

Thanks guys... lots of good comments.

Yes, I agree on the mindset thing. Most of us were carefully trained for many years not to really hurt anyone... just isn't sporting. You have to get rid of that, and be intent on doing as much real bodily harm as you can, as fast as you can.

Our school system here is a Jr. High model. Kids spend 7-8-9 in Jr. Hi, and 10-11-12 in HS. Personally, I like the middle school model better. 9th graders are much more like 10th graders than they are like 8th graders.

The bully's buds are about 4 8th graders. That should tell us something. They are all from very good families, who are concerned about their kids. The earlier incidents caused a lot of tension between the families, and I think this latest one is going to bring a lot of pressure from the parents.

Daughter played it right by the book. First incident, she took it to the school, and to the parents. She agreed not to call the police if the parents handled the situation. School immediately saw it as a bullying incident, and put the kid on detention, with a "no contact contract" that would have gotten him expelled for next to nothing. Second incident, she immediately called the police, as well as the school. Since that one happened on the bus, he got kicked off. Police interviewed the adult witnesses to both incidents, and compiled a report. Officer's comment to my daughter and her husband was, "I suggest you stay away from those people."

The school is a good school, and they have a very strong anti-bullying policy, which they enforce. This is the third incident that we know of with this kid, so we're thinking either expulsion or in-school detention and mandatory counseling.

My sis is a professional counselor. She suspects the bully has attachment disorder, which leaves the kid with no empathy, no conscience, and no remorse. Think Mark Hacking. If her suspicion is correct, the kid needs serious counseling before it is too late.

Yeah, nobody can whip 7-8 kids. That only works in the movies. Don't know what you do for that before the fact. It's assault, and it's a crime. At least after the fact, the police have a record of the previous incidents, and can handle it.

Don't know what to do better than I have...