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No dog in this fight, but not real keen on the whole bully gig.

I took TKD when I lived in Chicago, and it was fun, not trying to start anyflames here at all, just concern for the grandson. I personally find TKD one of the least useful arts for street fighting.

It was developed for the battlefield and being good with your legs (IIRC TKD emphasizes 70/30 kick/punch ratio) can be handy, say a guy with a knife etc.

For street fighting it has it's limitations, IMO&E you go trying to kick above someones knees in the street before you have him on the ground dazed and you are asking for trouble.

Though knee kicks and shin drags and toe stomps have their place in a street brawl.

2 years is a lot to give up at a young age, later on it don't matter so much. But strength is the number 2 factor IME right after mindset.

I know Stick has pizzed some of you guys off on this thread, but you could do worse than to go back and read his comments via joint manipulation, eye gouge and skoozlepipe crunching. Giving up 2 years to a kid at that age would open all those possibles in my mind, but I ain't ever been accused of fighting fair.

Don't overlook headbutting and biting too, if it ends up in the clinches you'd be surprised what it will do for your opponents lack of certaintity about engaging with you if you can latch on like a terrier and remove some flesh with your teeth. In close a headbutt to the nose is a beautiful thing as well.

By all means continue with the TKD if he enjoys it, but as it is taught in 99.98% of the dojos it's a sport, not combat. But at least he's getting some training about being attacked and learning to do something other than duck or flinch.

Shudokan is better for in close fighting, but nothing replaces a heart to heart talk with grampa about some of the unpleasant moves that are available and the understanding that a good accounting of yourself, even if you get your azzwhupped never hurts as bad or as long as trying to slink around and avoid the bad guys.

Not saying it's right, but after training my son or grandson the best I could to prepare for this kid and it still didn't work, I'd explore other options, tis amazing how much you can buy with a couple of benjamins from a kid that's two years older than the bully.

If none of this makes sense to you, or you find it offensive, please disregard. My experiences in life are just that, my experiences, they may not apply to your situation.

In the end, if a gang of kids is going to pick on my kid and actually hurt him, and the authorities won't or can't do anything, then I'm going to whip some parents' asses.

And that's just the way it is.

Noone is "tough" enough,to fend joint manipulation.

I work my kids all the time,in the sole interest of their defending themselves. Told them all,I'd be equally pissed for their starting a fight,as not finishing one.

Bad news travels fast and once you knot some heads,noone wishes Round 2...............

Sorry, hit the reply on Creeping Death instead of Denton, whom I meant to.

that is a fact, period.

An extended arm, is a broken arm. That's generally all it takes to give the aggressor a change of heart.

I tell my kids,that the premise is simplistic:..."bend [bleep],in the direction it don't go".

Easyola........................

What exactly are we talking about here with "joint manipulation"? Arm locks and the like?

It only takes a finger pard.................(grin)

Wanted to make sure I was on the same page...

or a soft part or two, if fingers and limbs ain't immediately available ...

Any appendage,with a joint,is succeptable.

Chokes and the like,are "pretty",but tougher to establish/retain. Think small potatoes,because they pay big dividends and quickly.

You don't need to get hold of much,to control the situation.............

I was typing,but we's on the same page...............

I tell my kids,that the premise is simplistic:..."bend [bleep],in the direction it don't go".


Gotta remember that one.

I've set all the kids down in a chair and told them to grab their "victim" hand,with the other. Study is simplistic,as the only thing they gotta understand,is which range of motion "ouches".

It's all about detecting/inflicting an Ouch. Nothing more,nothing less.

I'm not much into JipJap [bleep] and only results interest me................

Having been in martial arts for 18yrs, I can assure you that my 4th degree black belt is just that: a belt. In our system, promotions are on an individual basis, and indicative of individual growth and improvement, rather than how long you've been there or how much money you've spent. Most of us could be taken by a good street fighter, although there are a bunch of us that would be unfazed by 4-5 attackers. More depends on awareness and techniques plus a good portion of attitude. Personally, I'd rather shoot the suckers.

chit Stick....................you and my wife musta had the same teacher

wasnt long ago my brother and i got to wrestling, started in good fun but turned bout half serious, wife got pissed and was worried i was going to screw up my knee worse(was nursing torn cartilage at the time) since neither of us were listening to much reason she waded in grabbed my brother by the hand(middle and index fingers specifically), he turned to take her out thinking it was our sis's boyfriend joining in and with a quick flip of her wrist she dropped him to his knees faster than hell........my brother is one of the bigger guys on the high school football team and bigger than me by atleast 30 pounds which puts him at easily twice the size of my wife........dont think ive ever seen im beg for mersy with such lil effort <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

It's one of them deals,that ain't subject to a vote.

The victim is fully at your mercy and them are good odds,in my book....................

While I would also love to do the same thing, one must realize that in today's litigious society it would be foolhardy to do so. All you're doing is opening yourself up to very possible jail time and an assault on your record..

And that's just the way it is... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Well,I'll try to stay out of the racial stuff in this thread,and stick to the fightin........

TKD is useless,espically in a street fight.Joe Rogan (yes,the comedian)was the USA lightweight and open weight TKD champion back in the late 80's,and he'll be the first one to tell you that TKD is the most useless martial art in a full contact fight.The only strike in TKD that will stop a fight is the spinning back kick,and if you've ever been in a fight,you'll know that's damn hard to pull off.

The other problem with only being trained in TKD is the ground.If we're in a street fight,and you're getting the better me on the feet,I'm going to take you down-period.That's human nature.The Gracies (who made a fortune off this chit),found that around 90% of street fights go to the ground.Karate and TKD don't even teach how to get back up off the ground because they think you'll be so good,you'll never get into that position.Dream on.

If you get into a street fight (and it doesn't matter if you're a kid or an adult)you better do everything you can to kill the guy,because you can pretty much figure on the other guy doing the same to you.This is coming from someone who has cronic migraines for life and neck problems from being kicked in the head by a bully at age 7,so I know what I'm talking about.He knocked one of the discs in my neck out of place-if he'd kicked me much harder,he would have killed me.

Take the kid out of TKD,and put him into boxing and wrestling.And teach him how to get [bleep] mean.He's going to have to accept that he needs to gouge the guy in the eye,stomp him or kick him in the head on the ground when he's down,break his arm with a submission if he can,choke him out,whatever he can do to hurt him as badly as possible as quickly as possible to end the fight.

This isn't a pro fight in the ring.This isn't a fight between gentlemen.It's an ass whoopin,and somebody is going to get hurt and hurt bad.Better the other guy and not you.

WB.