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IIRC, the guy who plays Al Bundy is something like a 4th degree black belt in something.. Seems to me some fool tried to punch him out on some street and the perp found out old Al knew some real $hit and perpy was dropped so hard to the ground they had to rock him to break the suction.... I think that was only 2-3 years ago..

A 7yr old Chink,whipped your ass?..................

More like a 12 year old [bleep].

He kinda acted like you actually.

I got him back about a month later,when he weren't lookin.....

WB.

You never seen me.

My trouble is,I don't look like a puzzy,so Chinks is slow to try it.......................

Now yer talking, but school kids can't be doing that.

I'm a peaceable old dude, and don't know much about street fighting, but over 40 years ago, before the martial arts became popular and commercialized in this country, I studied karate for a time under a couple of Japanese masters. They were young men who had been sent to the U.S. by the Japan Karate Association to promote the sport. It is almost impossible to provoke such men to fight, but I wouldn't bet against them. They could move, punch and kick with blinding speed, and I have seen them take a pistol from an attacker before he could pull the trigger. I never saw one in a serious for-real fight, but I have seen a couple of semi-serious encounters between brown and black belt karate students, and ordinary street toughs, and the former more or less played with the latter. So guess it gets down to specific individuals and circumstances, but I wouldn't bet against a serious practitioner of martial arts. That said, I'm not sure this has much to do with teaching a youngster to defend himself, and some good alternatives have been offered here.

Paul

my father was more than a bit of a street fighter when he was younger, being that i was rather scrawny when i was young and was the type that tended to get picked on he gave me a couple of pointers:

#1 your not going to win every fight, just make sure you get enough good licks in that the person looses interest in fighting with you a second time even if they win.

#2 be it with a fist, elbow or knee a solid shot to the nose will take the fight out of all but hardened fighters 90% of the time

#3 if they cant breath they cant fight, he strangled the chit out of more than a few

I gotta agree with Stick, joint manipulation is the way to go. My dad boxed in the Air Force and was pretty good, however he said if things went to the ground boxing skills were useless. I had to break one of my buddies fingers as we were boxing and we got mad and the gloves came off, he proceeded to choke the chit outta me and all I could get to was his finger. After bending his finger 90 degrees in the wrong direction it snapped and all of the fight left him.........Blake

Its been my observation that most of the time (probably more than 98%) the person who hurts the other first usually wins. Then again, most are not hardened street fighters. The scariest thing is those few who fight better after they get hit and hurt.

Another observation is that most guys fight fairly civil compared to women.

If one is that worried about fighting, train Gun Fu, as the most dangerous don't fight, they just attack.

This thread has been a kick to read... some really good comments, and good practical advice.

First, I think the system is going to work and take care of this. The school is fully engaged, and the police are aware. One more police report, and the bully will probably be having legal problems. If the bully doesn't have a conscience or any remorse, he at least has to recognize that he's wading farther and farther into deeper [bleep] from a practical consequence point of view.

This bully is not a capable street fighter. He's a suburban layabout, with serious problems, a nasty temper, and a tendency to strike out at kids smaller than he is. He's bigger than his victims, and he is not accustomed to meeting any resistance. He knows how to land a punch or two, and to intimidate smaller kids, but he does not know how to sustain a good fight. One good smack in the nose, and he would either completely lose his cool, or run away. I really don't think it takes much to win the day.

One problem is that the bully is a very artful liar. According to him, he was just stepping in to protect the victim, or he was the victim. In the second incident, he turned around, reached across two seats, to hit my g'son. Bus driver wrote him up, and kicked him off. Good call. The minute his feet hit the ground, he was boo-hooing to his mother that my g'son had attacked him. Absolutely nobody but his parents believed that fabulous story... but they bought it hook line and sinker.

I had to laugh because one of my buddies at work was telling me today at lunch about a bully at his kid's school. Apparently the bully is a head taller and 20lbs heavier than the other kids his age, and my buddies 12-year-old twins are the smallest kids in the class.

The Reader's Digest version is, the two of them finally had a gut-full of being bullied and tag teamed his @$$ last week while the other kids cheered them on.

I can't help but picture that scene from the Christmas Story where Ralphie opened up a can of whoopass on the school bully and was cursing him out like there was no tomorrow.

Anyway, there's a lot to be said for strength in numbers...

The best thing he could do if he's in a stand up with a bully is to hit him first and hit him often until he gives up, then give him another for good measure.

In a boxing match there are rules; it's essentially a controlled environment sporting event. Held in a ring with judges, referee, doctor and timed rounds. No rabbit punches, hitting below the belt, biting (don't ask Holyfield to verify this) No such animal in a street fight. This is not to say that boxing skills are of no use, they absolutely are; learning to move, punch and protect. Problems may arise however, in a fight where the conventions of a boxing match do not apply.

As far as the 'fighting better after getting hit' comment, my Scottish grandfather used to say that a Scotsman didn't even begin to fight until he tasted of his own blood. He also was a proponent of giving out Glasgow Kisses. That's a head butt to we Americans. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I know what you're saying, but it is my belief that some folks just don't have it in them. Not a bad thing, excepting maybe a fighting situation. And BTW, take this any way you like: 'staying out of racial stuff'? By doing so, you appear to some to support it.

Redneck,

You are referring to Ed O'Neill. He has been training Brazillian Jiu Jitsu under Helio Gracie for about 9 years. He is very good to say the least. BJJ is the real deal.

I didn't know I was in the cyber presence of such "baaaaad" dudes!!!!<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


Mike

You didn't know? *Everyone* here is a hero! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Wow, let's just reinforce all the negative stereotypes around the shooting/hunting sorts shall we?

Now it's even "PC" to object to gross characterizations based on race - if so that's the first really positive characterization of "PC" that I've seen in a while, and that's quite a feat.

Maybe because I've been on receiving end of this sort of thing, being surrounded by Chinese at work (most of whom I respect quite a bit and would have nothing to do with it), but I can't think anything like this comes from anything but ignorance.
I guess it's easy to toss out that sort of barb when you're not the one paying the consequences, not working with such people. But for those of us "bignoses" that do, and are more likely to receive the retaliation, please shut the f*ck up.

Chink,Chink,Chink.

Roughly...in that order.

Deal with it...................

Everybody was kung foo fighting those moves as fast as lightning........