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Stupid. Very stupid.

I'm not seeing a tremendous (real world) difference between a 2x4 and the heel of a boot, a mag/pouch, etc. Certainly there are relative density/hardness issues, but not enough to matter.

I'm curious, then, as to the 'stupid' comment. Many run similar reload drills relatively frequently.

Because if you're serious about training to use your side arm in a "oh chit, I'mma gonna die if i don't get out of this" situation, you practice to be able to be combat effective without the use of both hands.

Racking the slide on a reload by using something other a leisurely pull with your weak hand is prudent IMO. Often that means using a 2x4, barrier, your heel, etc to effectively stay in the fight with a well fed weapon.

Are you the Cop business? If so, carry on. If not, then keep your mall-ninja fantasies to yourself. Nothing worse than mall-ninja tards creating specs for handguns.

I know you! Your the sock puppet of another imbecile that wastes time posting here! Then again you could just be drunk.

I always turn the stock rear sight around backwards till I put aftermarket sights on them. I don't like the white "bucket" in the rear.

A fine blade and the bucket pops out.

On this point we are in whole hearted agreement.

I'm in the "keep my butt alive because not only cops get shot at" business. And I HAVE been shot at.

It's not "creating a spec" for a handgun - it's realizing that if I carry for my own protection, I need to be able to use the damned thing for it to be of any use. And that means being able to use it for more than just it's initial capacity.

Lotsa people with torn rotator cuffs



Might want to be able to manipulate that pistol with one hand so you don't end up dead because you can't do what you need to do. Robust sights that allow one to recharge the slide by pushing it on some firm object aren't a bad thing.

I just cocked and loaded my plastic sighted G27 on the edge of my desk, using the front sight. I am overjoyed to report that the sight did not move or become inoperable in any way.

It might become necessary but it's just not something I worry about. I've fired thousands of rounds through my Glocks without a single jam. What's the odds that it will jam in the middle of a fight,after I've taken a round and am unable to manipulate the slide by any other means than using my sights. Honestly,if I was that worried, wouldn't it be better to just carry a second Glock rather than trying to un-jam my gun ,by beating the sights against something, during a firefight, while wounded?

I'm really not making fun of the scenario,which I know many adhere to. I am simply asking what I think are logical questions.

What happens when you fire until lock back due to adrenaline, etc.?

Probably a worthy eventuality to train for, but the odds of ever actually needing a reload in a gunfight (assuming you're starting with sixteen or eighteen rounds on board), let alone by use of this exotic method, is lightning strike slim. If training for a gun fight is your main hobby, or if you are a cop in an inner city, I can see the need for it. For regular folks who carry for self-defense, you can probably eliminate all fast reload training (let alone the exotic methods) and be just fine. Better to put your limited time and energy into being able to smoothly and quickly draw from concealment and put quick accurate shots, out to ten or fifteen yards, on multiple targets.

Heck, I don't even carry a spare mag on my person (have one in the nightstand drawer and in the glove compartment) unless I'm already alerted to a likely threat. Just one man's opinion.

I've never had a problem releasing the slide with the lock-release,even though the preferred method is to pull and release the slide.

I'm not saying it's totally stupid to have sights that will hook on something so you can manipulate the slide. I'm just saying it's something way down low on the list of things I worry about.

You can't be in the mall-ninja club with an attitude like that. All mall-ninjas must carry 6 extra 33 round magazines placed around their body and in cavities to cover all possible mall-ninja scenarios.

So you're late for today's lesson on clearing a jam one-handed using your butt cheeks.

I don't disagree with what TRH has said and, in fact, see your perspective as well.

Frankly, I'm no Pat McNamara, Kyle Lamb, etc. That said, I'd rather train for an eventuality that is HIGHLY unlikely and never experience it than not bother. I train with my weak hand (yes, I still use that term and always will........I'm not even close to "as good" with my left) and know that the slide release is on the left side of my Sig. I figure I ought to be proficient in reloading/manipulating the weapon from that position.

If we're training for "statistics", there's really no reason for folks to train to 15 yards, etc.

I think training to shoot weak handed is highly advisable for anyone who carries for self-defense. I do each and every time I shoot. At least a third of my handgun shooting is weak-hand-only. The probability of being shot in one hand/arm in a gun fight is high enough to (almost) necessitate it, if you're serious about self-defense carry.

Again, just one man's opinion.

I chose the CZ P-07 over the G19 because I like it better. And I very much like the CZ compacts (PCR, P01)...but it still remains the G19 got a LOT right the first time.

The odds are a lot higher than you think, especially if it's a close and dirty hands-on fight, which has a high probability itself. That's a whole lot different than shooting on a square range or even hunting; your pistol can get fouled by clothing, body parts, the other guy's hands tend to go for it if he notices, etc. That's also a situation where you're likely to only have one hand to operate the pistol, even without being injured. I'm not mil or leo, but train with a group of other guys who also take this stuff seriously so that includes a lot of hands-on sparring. What I've said above becomes evident very quickly in that kind of training.

I might be surprised and wrong but I still think you would be hard pressed to find anyone who has actually had to rack their slide on their belt during an real life and death situation.