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I have a 7X57 in a Winchester Lighweight, and a 7-08 in a Remington Mountain Rifle. I shoot handloads in both, and they are full power loads, both with 140 grain bullets, as I only hunt whitetails. I too had shoulder surgery years ago, and still have some pain. They recoil enough that it starts to bother me after 5 rounds or so. You can call me names, but until you've had shoulder pain AND arthritis, you have no idea.
Now, I also have a 6.5 Creedmoor, in a Howa that is heavier than either of the above rifles. I have yet to "feel" the recoil. Given a choice, I'd prefer either the 7X57 or the 7-08 as a deer rifle, but it is what it is, and I'll probably hunt this year with the 6.5 CM. Not to say that I won't use anything else, because I'll also hunt with a 243, maybe a 35 Remington, and perhaps for old times sake, with my 270.
People who have no problems with pain in their shoulders, or any other part of the body that can be affected by shooting, have no idea how lucky they are. People who do, usually figure something out. This was my 3rd surgery and it was a total replacement with metal and plastic parts. I need to have a procedure done to remove some of the scar tissue. While the risk of infection with another surgery is low, if I do get an infection down into the metal implant I am SCREWED. That's why I have been holding off. I have had 3 knee surgeries too. Shoulders are far worse.
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Tikka 25-06 Rem 115 Partition I like almost everything about that suggestion. I know Tikka builds a great rifle, but they are made overseas and though I am unlikely to ever need Tikka customer support, it's not very good at all from what I have read. In the grand scheme of things those aren't deal breakers. I like the 115 and 120 Partition for the 25-06! The 115 has been perfect for me in my 257 Roberts. I've been kickin the crap out of one since 2013. Mostly on a quad . No issues. I live in B.C and hunt some pretty rough country. You will be safe with a Tikka.
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Paul -
Sorry to hear about your shoulder issues. My hunting buddy has them too, as a result of his diabetes. Only one surgery for him, though.
He really likes my .308 Ruger Scout. I mounted a brake on it and with the synthetic stock he says it has "no recoil". The 18" barrel should get you 2900fps with a 130g TTSX and CFE223 or 2750fps with a 150g BT or AB and Varget. (My 16.1" gets 2868fps and 2699fps respectively). According to Ruger it should weigh 6.25 pounds plus the weight difference between the factory flash hider and the brake. Add to that whatever scope you mount.
Good luck whatever you choose.
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No, I'm not a Ruger bigot - just an unabashed fan of their revolvers, M77's and #1's.
A good .30-06 is a 99% solution.
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Buy a Tikka in 243. I hate to sound flippant, but this is an easy fix.
I may never check off the elk hunt on my bucket list, but I'd want more than a 243 for that job. Otherwise, I love the 243. Well, I don't want to tell tales out of school, but if you look around, you can find a Tikka T3 Superlight, like the one I bought from Whittaker's Gun Shop. It is chambered in 260 Remington. You could load 125 Grain Partitions, or 130 grain Nosler Accubonds. Either will make Elk deader than 100 Grain Nosler Partitions from a 243.....maybe.
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Easy pick for me. One of these two should do you well: 6.5 Swede 25-06
Either one (or both - I'm an enabler ya know) in the Tikka
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Ruger M77 Round top, 257 Roberts, 24" medium weight barrel with sights. 100TTSX, 110 Accubond. Ruger No.1 .257 Roberts, 26" barrel, 110 Accubond, 386 yards, one and done. In behind the left front shoulder, broke the off side leg on the way out. Stumbled forward 2 steps and folded.
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I would get the Ruger American Predator in 6.5 CM because it already has a threaded barrel. Then put a brake on it for even more recoil reduction. But if you really have elk on your mind, I would step up to a 7-08 with a brake. Buy a stainless Remington action, have most any decent gunsmith spin on a quality barrel, throw it in a McMillan Edge stock and you would have an excellent setup that would come in about 7-7 1/4# with the scope on board. It might even shoot as well as a Tikka does right out of the box. Easily elk capable to 400 yds, and the 120 Barnes TTSX started at 3000 fps is more than adequate.
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I just got RAR predator in 6.5 CM. Specs say 6.6lb. What kinda 3lb scope you got on it? Or scope + bipod?
Also, I just put a brake on it. Very little recoil now.
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Ruger M77 Round top, 257 Roberts, 24" medium weight barrel with sights. 100TTSX, 110 Accubond. Ruger No.1 .257 Roberts, 26" barrel, 110 Accubond, 386 yards, one and done. In behind the left front shoulder, broke the off side leg on the way out. Stumbled forward 2 steps and folded. That's a good looking stock on that #1.
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I just got RAR predator in 6.5 CM. Specs say 6.6lb. What kinda 3lb scope you got on it? Or scope + bipod?
Also, I just put a brake on it. Very little recoil now. Mine is the Hawkeye Predator.
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I just got RAR predator in 6.5 CM. Specs say 6.6lb. What kinda 3lb scope you got on it? Or scope + bipod?
Also, I just put a brake on it. Very little recoil now. Mine is the Hawkeye Predator. 10-4
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Lighten up either of your 6.5's. That'd be the ticket. How much weight could I shed off of the Howa and what would it cost? I do have a heavy scope, rings and bases on it, so I could probably dump 6-8 ounces there. That puts it at 9 pounds. Is there a way to dump another pound? This is as light as you're going to get as a starting point. McMillan with EDGE fill is about $650 now. But I may know where you can get one at a considerable savings.
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I missed the under 8lbs part. Remington 700 SPS stainless 257 weatherby, 26" barrel. I had the barrel and bolt fluted, bolt handle skeletonized. As is no scope or mounts 6lbs 2oz. Has a heavy Burris Euro Diamond 3-10X40, all up sling and 4 rounds about 8lbs. Factory Tupperware painted by member John_Boy
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Lighten up either of your 6.5's. That'd be the ticket. How much weight could I shed off of the Howa and what would it cost? I do have a heavy scope, rings and bases on it, so I could probably dump 6-8 ounces there. That puts it at 9 pounds. Is there a way to dump another pound? This is as light as you're going to get as a starting point. McMillan with EDGE fill is about $650 now. But I may know where you can get one at a considerable savings. Is that a Howa with a #2 contour barrel?
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My recommendation is a little different, I'd suggest going with a 270 and adding a muzzle brake to knock the recoil down to 243 levels. If it has to be mountain rifle light Tikka would be an excellent choice.
My wife surprised me many years ago with a trigger job, bedding and a muzzle brake from a good local gunsmith on my tang safety Ruger 7mm RM and the difference was amazing. My son in law had the same thing done to his old BDL and added the mercury recoil reducer in the stock, it is too heavy for me but kicks like a 22-250.
The other option might by to go with a smi-auto Browning or Benelli with a muzzle brake to drastically reduce the felt recoil. I used to shoot with a physician who had lots of rifles but loved his Brownies 7mm as his primary hunting gun. He took lots of pigs and other critters past 400 yards with his.
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Only you know your pain level so I'm assuming your situation as a worst case scenario. Sounds like you want to stay in lightweight rifle territory. If it comes down to recoil, run a 7mm08 or 7x57 for your heavy critters in a heavy rifle and suffer humping it (maybe get a gunbearer for your pack to help out?). If you have to have a lightweight general purpose deer rifle and the pain is that bad, or you're becoming overly precautious, get a 6.5 grendel in the Howa mini or CZ 527 or an AR15 if that's your fancy. Something more common would be a 243, 22-250, 223AI. All of that would be under your 12ft-lb limit.
That sucks. I hope it works out for you.
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Is that a Howa with a #2 contour barrel? Yes.
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7x57 and in a Winchester Featherweight.
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Any of the 6.5's. If you already have any of them it really doesn't matter much, but if buying new the Creedmoor version is the only way to go. Recoil is only slightly more than 243 (about 12 ft lbs vs 11 ft. lbs in a 7.5 lb rifle), but performance wise it easily beats 243 or 25--06. At close ranges 270 has a slight edge, but beyond about 200 yards it beats 270, and does it with about 2/3 the recoil of 270. You can buy good factory hunting loads for under $20/box and match grade target ammo under $30/box.
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