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History has proved repeatedly that when civilizations become immoral they crumble and collapse as it all unravels. The chaos in other country's that are one step ahead of us on the immoral chain should be a big indicator but those with there heads in the sand generally never see it that way. A wise man once said realism is often misinterpreted as pessimism. And those who misinterpret it with a positive outlook are positive....positively wrong!


Trystan

I remember when people were actually ashamed to take welfare. Now, it's an entitlement.

i recall when the farm tax could hardly be paid. politicians were used to influence local judge to keep a neighbor out of the chain-gang. nearly everybody was poor, some more than others. dirt roads with no gravel to make them travelable in the winter. in my lock-step rural Baptist community, ya did right or got shunned. and the baptist preachers and the boot-leggers weren't about to allow legal alcohol sales.

History is a good teacher. Blacks didn't give a trouble when they weren't allowed to get "uppity"....and I'm not supporting anyone getting lynched, just saying that the pendulum has swung too far to the other side now.

When girls "got in trouble", and had to have the baby, instead of running down to the abortion clinic and getting it took care of, then a valuable lesson was learned by all involved......."you pay when you play." That kept a lot of young folks back then from "playing". Now days, if they aren't "playing" by the time they're in high school, their peers think something is wrong with them.

I'm 67, and I want my grandkids to experience what I did growing up.....a world in which most people attended church, stayed married, married someone of their race and background, and didn't have half a dozen abortions by the time they were 20.

I am so getting a dinosaur when history repeats.

Prospero's vision is good enough for me.

Liberal progressivism = decay of moral values. Its become a cottage industry to be offended by anything and everything.

Well, I can remember when it was "right" for me. I could shoulder my .22 rifle, walk through town, Pop. of 3K in the U.P. of Mich. three miles to a farm and hunt woodchucks. No one ever said a thing. I also remember when each home had both Mom and Dad living in it, and Dad was the Boss. Most all Dads were WWll Vets. All Dads worked. I knew the rules and abided by them...trouble outside home was even bigger trouble when I got home.
I don`t know if it was a "right" time for my parents, as I can remember my Mom crying at the kitchen table wondering how she was going to pay the food bill for the 6 of us. When I went into the Service in 62 they still owed the store close to $600.
I also remember the values of hard work, honesty, and responsibility..seems like these arn`t "right" amymore.

Never been a time when everything was "right."
But they were certainly a lot better in many ways.
I was born in the middle of the Depression and spent my grade school years during the War.
Some things were worse.

Bow, yes.

It started when Medeline Murray O"Hare got school prayer banned. When I was in school we recited the Lord's Prayer every day, everyone stood and pledged allegiance to the flag. There was a dress code that not only included attire but also getting a hair cut (long hair was not allowed). Slowly these things went away, disipline suffered as decorum and respect fell by the wayside. The dam burst when political correctness became the order of the day, everyone protested whatever they felt offended them and nearly always got their way no matter if they were in the minority. The majority rules never happens anymore neither does going along to get along.

Things ain't changed all that much, we just know about more now with 24 hour news and the internet. Much more fake news making us think things are worse than they are. There is just as much fake news from the right as the left. Virtually every generation has been convinced things were worse than before. Every politician since the beginning has been accused of corruption. Some were, some weren't, but their critics made their point known and muddied the waters.

Girls have been getting pregnant before marriage forever and having abortions long before they were legal. As long as birth and marriage records have been accurately kept, and prior to effective contraception, almost half of girls 1st born children were born less than 9 months after marriage. Parents have been killing their own unwanted children outright, or through neglect forever. Abortions and teen pregnancy are at an all time low, because kids are now using birth control.

People have been murdering and robbing others forever. It was a lot easier to get away with it or make it look like an accident or natural death years ago so much went unreported. Drug and alcohol abuse levels are no different, and maybe lower than at many other times. There were lots of doped up veterans after the Civil War on morphine. Cocaine and many other drugs were legal and popular until the early 20th century.

I don't think world ever existed. That was a "Leave it to Beaver" TV delusion / propaganda we were supposed to buy into ... and many did. The difference in older times was that most the deviations from the image stayed behind closed doors, NOT what actually happened behind those doors. Human nature does not change. What's changed is we got jaded and started seeing what was there to see all along.

Tom

I'm going with this one..

Prayer was never banned in schools. This is one of the big lies often repeated. Anyone who wants to go into a school and pray can, and has always been able to do so. The difference is that you can no longer force others to participate if they do not want to do so. As a Christian I support this position. I can pray anytime I wish. I can get together with other Christians including students or teachers and pray at any school. But not every student in our schools are Christian. If I can force non-Christians to recite a Christian prayer, then those of other faiths will argue, and win, that they can force Christians to recite prayers from their religion. It ain't that hard to get together as Christians and say a prayer and let others do as they choose. Unlike Islam, the Christian Bible has never said that we should force others to accept our religion. We lay it out there. Others can choose to accept or reject.

Sure it was. Even then one could choose not to, albeit at your own "risk" as it were. The prayer itself was (is) not really the issue or even relevant, it was the STRUCTURE, prayer, the pledge, a dress code, discipline gave to all of us as kids.

Ignorance was bliss I suppose.

Country was never right, but we sure have our problems now.

Definitely my impression. I had an unusual perspective I guess. I grew up in a very small community with almost no kids so when I was 8-10, the people I was around were 75 to 90, many born in the later 1880s. The 1890s, when they grew up, were as real to me as the 1950s and early 1960s that I barely missed. They said the same things about "kids" that old fogeys have always said about the generation or two following them, the only difference was they did it with fewer cuss words. The rolled eyes were the same, the dismay was the same.

There were a whole lot of first babies that looked awfully healthy for being 2 months premature and, of course, conceived on wedding night. The moms could not have been pregnant, right? That wouldn't be the fantasy world of "Leave it to Beaver". 1920s .. flappers, etc ... nothing promiscuous going on there. Really, premarital and extramarital sex were invented in the 1960s. Didn't you know? Laudanum .. oh, no, nobody ever abused THAT. Much. Abuse of doctor-prescribed medicines is a brand new thing, don't you remember?

I think the people who are overly enamored with that utopian past were simply too young at the time to have been fully aware of all that was going on. You can drive back but you can never go home. It never was the thing you remember it being now.

Tom

Yup, one of those meat guzzling T-rex models.......Can you imagine the green house gases out of that one.