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I didn't want to throw any names out as I don't think I'm in the wrong and now it's your opinion against mine and I'm sure depending on who it is there will be sides taken.

This is far from a safariman experience, but apparently what I feel is good to very good for an old rifle someone else feels otherwise. This is only my opinion, but the rifle was listed for well under what other similar ones go for on gunbroker and with the couple pics that were in the ad I do honestly feel it was represented accurately.. If I thought it was in excellent condition with no wear I would have asked considerable more for it. I do apologize that you are not happy with the rifle, but I also believe it's more a case of buyers remorse than a legitimate complaint.

There are no signs of any rust. Is there blueing wear, yes there is. Are there handling marks on the stock, yes there are. It's a 65 year old rifle that's been hunted/used but not abused. I wouldn't sell something on here or any other site where I've ever been that I thought I was misrepresenting.

I do not own a bore-scope, but to the naked eye the bore looks fine.

I offered to take it back, minus shipping costs and a 10% fee or a return of 50.00 if it helped to make it right. I didn't advertise the rifle with a buy back if someone was not happy. You or anyone else could have asked for more pictures or more detail. There wasn't anything to hide on the barrel, minus the blueing wear and the pictures show the stock pretty clearly. There certainly was not any rust.

You mentioned the screws were buggered, are they perfect no but they're far from buggered or stripped or anything other than being turned in and out a few times in the last five decades and are perfectly functional.

On this site and many others, I have nothing but a 100% feedback and have never been accused of deceiving anyone.

Nothing was ever asked about if anyone was not happy that there was a return policy. The rifle has been transferred and I will not accept a return to an FFL (and I stated that in a pm earlier) where I have to spend a couple hours round trip and an additional 30.00 transfer fee. The closest one to me is an hour round trip and 75.00 fee. If it could just be shipped back to me at this point, I'd say minus my costs involved and ship it back on his dime.


It should be noted Brian also agreed to some ammo/brass that I had just created a shipping label for earlier today, I was able to void the label and hopefully get refunded but I will also return the amount we agreed upon for the ammo/brass. I was not able to ship that out until today and it was on it's way to be dropped off when all of this became an issue. I will get that check out first thing Monday AM.

I've bought things things on here and elsewhere where I wish I would have asked for more details, but also blamed myself for not asking as long as nothing was hidden or lied about. If it wasn't for the photobucket crap, I would have posted more pics in the ad to begin with as there was/is nothing to hide.


https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt.../12333490/sako-rhimmiki-222#Post12333490


Shipment I created just this morning (deleted his name/address)

From: CALVIN
Tracking Number:
1Z281T760393735145
Ship To:

US
UPS Service: UPS GROUND
Number of Packages: 1
Package Weight: 6.0 LBS
Scheduled Delivery: 11/03/2017


Take your sides and say what you will, but I'm done.

I sold a rifle a few years back. I advertised it as a custom with a Lilja barrel. I have numerous customs, some with Lilja and some with Shilen. That’s all I have ever used. Turned out that the buyer said that Lilja did not make a barrel with the number of lands as was on this gun. So i told him it had to be a Shilen. Buyer was very pissed. I told him it was an honest mistake and it was a 3/4” gun. He was still unhappy.
I told him, it was my mistake, return it and I will refund your money.
Never heard another word from him.

Apparently, you're having trouble with buyers on other sites too.

Although it has nothing to do with buyer's remorse, I'll quote the PM I wrote you today about the item you sold me:

"The rifle is in rough shape. You stipulated: "Sako Rhimmiki .222 good to vg condition - few handling marks and some blueing wear. Been sitting in the safe for way too long without seeing any use. Includes rings and one magazine"

The stock has many more than "few handling marks" and the bluing has lots of wear, showing signs of having had considerable surface rust. Borescoping shows pitting and considerable throat erosion, scope mount screw heads are buggered, etc. The rifle is not in good to very good condition. I accepted the condition as reported in your listing, which consisted of three sentence fragments and two marginal photographs. None of the rifles flaws were specifically documented narratively or with pictures. My expectations were framed by your listing. Upon receiving the rifle, I find its condition falls short of what one would reasonably expect based on your description. It's the responsibility of the seller to accurately and thoroughly represent the item for sale. Buyers are blind until presented with the actual item. You were advanced payment in good faith. I too am disappointed. Had this rifle been more thoroughly documented, I would have passed on it, saving us both the trouble.

Initially, I was prepared to cover the return shipping as a gesture of good will. I haven't taken the time to thoroughly photograph and narrate the condition of the rifle received and would hope this could be resolved without drama."

That's horse sheit.


[bleep] Yankees

Mail it back and they pay for shipping.

Probably be difficult to accomplish here, given the variety of "members" of the campfire, but perhaps folks could agree on some terminology regarding "good" "very good" "fair" etc?

Perhaps a sticky on the classified threads with some listings of rating systems. Buyer and seller then agree on which system they would like to use.

Just an example:

http://www.armsbid.com/nra-conditions-standards.cfm

And better pictures, more of them also. Angle and lighting on those two provided don't show a lot of detail.

Certainly hope you guys can reach an amicable settlement

Good luck,

Geno

Why should a seller pay ~75 bucks for a person to inspect a product like a rifle when the buyer has the option of asking questions including will the seller accept returns, and if so, at what cost?

The good ol'e boy attitude don't always work on the campfire because there are a [bleep] of classified cowboys that don't care about anything other than making a buck.

It's lot easier to flip an item if it's not what was expected or you have buyer's remorse and I am not talking about a product that truly does not meet the description.