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JB, do you know the difference between the Droptine and FF1 scopes?

Have never even seen a Droptine, so no, I don't!

I'm assuming this was before the '06 became obsolete?

The Burris FF II is an excellent scope. It's probably my favorite hunting scope for them money under $500. They are durable, stay zeroed, have excellent glass, just great all around scopes. I have several.

Have the Dober dotz (aka the Leupold LR duplex reticle) fallen out of favor?
Seems a simple set and forget would be a fixed 6 Power LR duplex reticle. Easy out to 400.
Or go up in quality and find a S&B 6x42 with P3 mildot reticle. The S&B PMII 10x42 is an almost bombproof setup too.

Leupolds have fallen out of favor.

JB
There is a commonly observed message in this post. I wonder how many understand this?

Maybe only the guys who buy Sako, BRNO, Tikka older Mark V's, Woodleighs, Portugese Model 70's and other non US products? There isn't much made in the US that warrents the stafus afforded it using memory and tradition as the justification.....motor vehicles is another example. How many Surburbans are the preferred safari car in Africa?

Good point. I try pretty hard to support American manufacturers, but many have dropped the quality ball. I have a greater obligation to use my family's resources wisely than to blindly buy shoddy goods just because they're made here. And "made here" can mean a number of things these days, as well.

Auto makers, in particular, are huge multi-national corporations owned by millions of stockholders located all over the globe. The parts are sourced from wherever it's cheapest. To top it off, about 50-75% of whatever portion of the price of "American" cars that ends up paid as union dues goes to the Democrats (that estimate is based on my old union's figure of 75%).

Point being, trying to make a difference with your purchasing power is a can of worms. And "Quality" is in constant state of flux, not neccessarily related to point of origin any more.

I have had really good luck with Weaver Grandslam ( both old and newer versions) and Bushnell Elites. Decent glass, very reliable an a number of guns from 223 thru 300wsm. Also Weaver super slam on my 264 win model 70 extreme weather has been very solid. I think mule deer has had decent luck with a super slam as well. If you watch Natchez they have the Weavers at great prices and they are still being made in Japan at Lite Optical works ......a very solid vendor from what I understand.

Thanks to JB's advice on this subject, I've been using several Burris' this summer/fall. I really like the Burris E1. I've run 5-600 rounds through the pair I have in lightweight 30-06 and 308. They track like they should but wouldn't necessarily say 1 click = exactly 1/4" at 100. The closest they've come to rough treatment is one fell over onto the ground at the range. Didn't move the zero.

For some ....

Sounds like I need to give Burris another look. I had several FFII's years ago, and they were dependable scopes. Had one on a .338 and another on a lightweight 375 H&H and they did quite well, if memory serves.

gerry,

Over the years, I've read good reviews about the FFII. Not in terms of light transmission, or resolution, but zero retention. And I've noticed that Ingwe, JB, Koshkin, and others have stated that those are durable scopes.

FFII

I recently put a 3-9x FFII on my 700 SPS in 7mm-08. Lately I've been using SWFA scopes, but wanted a scope for relatively close ranges. It didn't track well, but seems to be holding zero as best as I can shoot. I'm going to blame the noodle stock on the SPS for the elongated group below . Actually, I've shot several other groups, and all seem reasonable given the rifle/scope setup.

Peering into the objective with a flashlight, I see the erector tube spring that wraps around the inner diameter of the tube that Burris used to advertise. Not sure if it's marketing hype, or if it actually plays a role in the reputation for holding zero?

Jason

I've not had a Weaver Grand Slam go out of time on me yet. I run the 4.75x on a couple of guns.

I've not had any problem with a Bushnell Elite 4200 3-9x either.

I've never had a Leupie M8 give out on me either.

Making the ocular housing slightly smaller and the main tube slightly longer would help, as would having someone in the sales team that actually uses hunting rifles instead of just fantasizing about being a you-beaut "sniper".


The way things are going I am fully expecting the next lot of scopes to have internet connectivity and channel selection.

I still like them, and still have a 6x36 with Dots. Ditto a 2-7x33. KISS.

And Ive got the Burris FFIIs and one Leupold with Dober Dotz, they havent run out of favor here and I find them handy and MORE than accurate enough for 99% of hunting application ( which usually means 300 yards and under..)

At 300 yards and under why in God's name would you need dots with any high power rifle?

Because apparently my rifles aren't powdered high enough...they DO exhibit some trajectory at 200 and 300 yards...

Ingwe, what kind of scopes did they have when you invented the blunderbuss?

FC