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I agree with you on one point; you are an elitist. How would you feel if I told you that you and your family don't meet my criteria to own firearms because your political views are dangerous to my family's welfare and freedom? Sure, we're both law-abiding citizens but, according to me, your political views don't meet the standard for gun ownership. Are you ready to give them up?? If not, why not?? Please don't tell me because you disagree with my OPINION. Do you honestly think Obama would let your family own guns if HE had SUPREME power? What was the best guarantee that he would need to peacefully hand over that power to Trump, a man he detests??

When it comes to firearm ownership, we need to think 100+ years into the future and ask ourselves if we want to leave our family's well being to a person/group who may dislike them or even hate them because of how they look, think, or what they OWN. As for me, I think the safest position a society can take is to ensure we're all able to defend ourselves from whatever, whenever. Short of that, you and your family's well-being is at the mercy of anyone that chooses to do harm or steal from them.

And, since you stated you're a LEO, you know better than anyone that in almost all cases you can't protect me or mine. The best you do 99% of the time (and that's being very generous) is show up and take are "report" on what happened. Not being critical of LE, I know you would if you could, but you can't and that's the truth!

Probably a domestic issue.

2nd wife's family went to that church and he probably blamed them for his failed life.

So more info about the men who engaged the shooter.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/lo...-church-shooter-12334070.php?ipid=brkbar

There is report of all black clothing, and an Antifa flag. (Awaiting real facts) he could be one Antifa nut job trying to start thier revolution.

If the facts bare that truth then every last swinging antifa dick should fry for RICO violations at a minimum.

That's what I was thinking too.

He wasn't shooitng FMJ;s:

Looks like NBT's or Vmax. Hard to tell if the tip is orange or red.

nice

Makes me think of the jack-wagon that showed up a few years ago with a rifle to shoot a bunch of people and the TX resident killed him with a handgun. Don't mess with Texas!

I'll go along with that...until I sell my farm and move to an old folks apartment.

Then it'll be BS!

IMO, soft targets need to harden up and protect their own with lethality. It's sad commentary, but such are the times. 2A is all the more important.

The Constitution and my God given rights to protect my family and myself trump your resume and opinions (neither of which mean chit to me).

interview with witness

No weapon detail though... I am thinking rifle though.

From the San Antonio article-

"Kelley is a former U.S. Air Force member who served from 2010 to 2014. Records confirm Kelley previously served in logistics readiness in New Mexico until his discharge in 2014, Air Force spokesperson Ann Stefanek said in a statement.

Kelley was court-martialed in 2012 for two counts of assault on his spouse and assault on their child, Stefanek said. He received a bad conduct discharge and confinement for 12 months."

That guy could not legally own or posess ANY firearm under current US law. He was dishonorably dicharged (felony) and convicted of an act of domesric violence.

Question is HOW did he get that gun ?

You couldn't cut it and washed out, I presume.

This 100%

I believe that i should be able to have any firearm that i want to own or can afford.

What you are about just don't make any sense.

The same folks who you want to tell you if you can own anything,for no reason can and would take away anyone's right for nothing but a whim.

I also think that i should be able to carry anywhere and whatever firearm i want to without having to pay the .gov a dammed dime.

If one is a responsible person there should be no problem.

Let me tell you this:if bad actors knew that folks would shoot back at them anytime they start something things like this would not be happening.

All of the movies talking about the so called wild west are wrong.
The reason is that most everyone had a firearm on them or close by.

I don't agree with what you think but you have the right to think so.

You don't come off as a conservative at all.

two guys chased after the shooter...

Sure sounds like it. And the witness doesn't say that he shot at the BG, he says he shot him, and then fired again trying to hit him through his vehicle window. Waiting for more info....

The chase down guys indicate rifle I think... On the link RNF provided.


"I pulled up to the intersection where the shooting happened and I saw two men exchanging gunfire," Langendorff said, noting the shooter and another local were shooting at each other.
Once the gunman fled the church grounds in his vehicle, Langendorff said the other man came to his car.
"The other gentleman said we needed to pursue (the shooter) because he shot up the church," he said. "So that's what I did. I just acted."
The pair chased the man down FM 539 headed North before the shooter lost control and ran off the roadway. Langendorff said the other man with him jumped out of the car and drew his rifle on Kelley.
"He didn't move after that," Langendorff said.

Agreed. Glad he was there to put a stop to it. What a horrible thing.