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If anyone really believes we'll ever get meaningful relief from this gov't's tax system, yer woefully naive...

Gov't will NEVER do that. And the only way we can ever truly pay less taxes is for gov't to cut (REALLY cut) spending... And THAT'S not gonna happen either..


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Over the past 100 years, there have been three major periods of tax-rate cuts in the U.S.: the Harding-Coolidge cuts of the mid-1920s; the Kennedy cuts of the mid-1960s; and the Reagan cuts of the early 1980s. Each of these periods of tax cuts was remarkably successful as measured by virtually any public policy metric. Arthur Laffer


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They should just scrap the whole damn tax code and put in a sales tax. Enough with the thousands of pages of laws. Enough with all the loopholes. Enough with all the class warfare. If you spend more, you pay more- period. If you want to save or invest money, you pay no taxes. Then fire about 90% of the IRS. And there shouldn't be any business taxes anyway. Businesses are nothing more than a bunch of Americans going to work every day. And when you tax a business, they just pass on the cost to the consumer in the form of higher prices. So just do a damn sales tax instead. No business taxes, no income taxes, no death taxes, no capital gains taxes.


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You all must be taking in CNN intravenously. Citing NY Times and Mitch the bitch McConnell. I'd be ashamed!


We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?

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Originally Posted by denton
Why cut corporate taxes? Simple. Corporations don't really pay taxes. They collect them from their customers and pass the money on to the government. You pay them every time you buy a hamburger or a set of tires. It's simply a method of concealing the taxes, so people don't realize what they are actually paying.

That shell game works well enough, as long as the rates are pretty much in line with what the rest of the world is doing. As it is, ours are not. That forces the big international corporations to move jobs offshore, and it makes our products uncompetitive in the world market.

Cutting the corporate tax rate to 20% may be the single most important financial thing the government can do for the voters, though it's hard to convince the voters that is true.

It will result in the repatriation of billions of dollars held offshore, and it will create an influx of American jobs.

It's not the voters vs. the corporations. Both voters and corporations win with that cut.

As for the loss of some deductions, it's not that big a deal. The personal exemption is set to double. That's just a simplification: higher personal deduction, loss of some itemized deductions.

Loss of the deduction for state and local taxes is probably a good thing. As it is, that deduction takes some of the sting out of very high taxes in some blue states, and allows those state governments to get away with what they are doing. In effect, it's transferring money from the federal government to irresponsible state governments. So if you live in Texas, Utah, or other financially responsible state, you should be cheering at that prospect. Let those states bear their own tax burden, and let the peasants revolt in those states, and elect more fiscally responsible officials. As it is, your tax dollars are shielding those officials from the consequences of their folly.

Will the cuts increase the deficit? Maybe yes, maybe no. Short of doing something sensible like reducing spending, cutting taxes will stimulate the economy and may actually result in higher tax revenues.



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Originally Posted by Northman
People spending money creates more jobs.. Wealthy people investing creates fewer jobs!


Velocity of money makes the economy go round.



Correct on all three points


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Originally Posted by luv2safari
Originally Posted by Northman
People spending money creates more jobs.. Wealthy people investing creates fewer jobs!


Velocity of money makes the economy go round.



Correct on all three points


How does "wealthy people investing creates fewer jobs?"


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A: invested wealth is put to work - just by workers who are elsewhere (many here in the US)
B: As 45-100 stated - and I quote Reagan - "I was never hired by a poor man".


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You truly that stupid? Do your homework, it's embarrassing to be this close to ignorance.

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When I said investment by the wealthy creates jobs, I did not mean investment in the stock market. I meant investment in new businesses that hire workers and purchase goods and services to start those businesses. True, people spending money moves the economy but where are they going to spend their money if there are no restaurants, movie theaters, repair shops, building supply stores, etc?

It all works together. Wealthy people want to make more money so they create new businesses which hire workers which gives people money to spend which makes more money available to create more new businesses. It creates a problem when government siphons off this money and redistributes it non-productive members of society.

As I said before, wealthy people write checks, the rest of us cash them.

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A sales tax would be the most fair form of taxation. Save your money and don't pay any tax or spend your money and pay taxes. However, as stated before, the tax system is intended to control people's behavior (social engineering). There are very few problems that cannot be solved using economic stimulus (stillmulii?).

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Originally Posted by jaguartx
Sorry, my mistake., make that 50,000,000.


Having a second chance at getting this right this post may be dumber than the first.
Who in the hell runs a business on a .1% profit margin?

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13 million Americans will lose their Health Insurance under this plan. Middle income tax plan is until 2025 and corporate is permanent,
high property tax states will get the shaft under this plan and any one with expensive medical issues will go bankrupt. This tax bill is
for corporations only. No corporate tax lope holes are being closed. No off shore tax havens are being closed. In 3 years we will have a
big tax increase paid for by the middle class.

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Originally Posted by GunTruck50

13 million Americans will lose their Health Insurance under this plan. Middle income tax plan is until 2025 and corporate is permanent,
high property tax states will get the shaft under this plan and any one with expensive medical issues will go bankrupt. This tax bill is
for corporations only. No corporate tax lope holes are being closed. No off shore tax havens are being closed. In 3 years we will have a
big tax increase paid for by the middle class.



Republican Study Committee:
“Adding the repeal of the individual mandate to tax reform could be the most consequential step this Congress takes to date in fulfilling our promises to the American people to both reform the tax code and repeal ObamaCare,” the group said in a statement. “…Repealing the individual mandate is the right policy decision. It frees Americans to make their own health care decisions and saves over $300 billion. It appears the Senate is keeping its promises. The House should do the same. Let’s repeal the individual mandate and restart the process of repealing ObamaCare.”


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Originally Posted by GunTruck50

13 million Americans will lose their Health Insurance under this plan. Middle income tax plan is until 2025 and corporate is permanent,
high property tax states will get the shaft under this plan and any one with expensive medical issues will go bankrupt. This tax bill is
for corporations only. No corporate tax lope holes are being closed. No off shore tax havens are being closed. In 3 years we will have a
big tax increase paid for by the middle class.



The 70 percent of tax filers that currently choose the standard deduction because it is higher than what they qualify for in itemized deductions. That will raise to more that 90 percent under the new plan with its much higher standard deductions.

Bring on the post card 1040! That alone will save taxpayers $millions.

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Agree, low income will be better off under Trump tax plan. If you have a big mortgage, or medical issues your in trouble.
Corporations have more cash in the bank now than ever, and Trump wants to give them more at our expense. How are we
going to cover 1.7 Trillion short fall in government revenue if this goes thru? Middle class will be paying for that corporate
tax break a few years down the road.

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Originally Posted by GunTruck50

Agree, low income will be better off under Trump tax plan. If you have a big mortgage, or medical issues your in trouble.
Corporations have more cash in the bank now than ever, and Trump wants to give them more at our expense. How are we
going to cover 1.7 Trillion short fall in government revenue if this goes thru? Middle class will be paying for that corporate
tax break a few years down the road.



Wrong. All supply-side tax cuts easily pay for themselves.
During the Reagan tax cuts, tax receipts rose 65 percent.
The problem was that government spending; total outlays grew 69 percent.

The Laffer Curve is alive and well


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Taxes on corporations only get passed on the the consumers. It is a slick way for politicians to "stick it to you" while you give them an "atta-boy" for "sticking it to the corporation". WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!

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Originally Posted by GunTruck50

13 million Americans will lose their Health Insurance under this plan. Middle income tax plan is until 2025 and corporate is permanent,
high property tax states will get the shaft under this plan and any one with expensive medical issues will go bankrupt. This tax bill is
for corporations only. No corporate tax lope holes are being closed. No off shore tax havens are being closed. In 3 years we will have a
big tax increase paid for by the middle class.


This tax bill doesn't benefit my corporation one iota.
Subchapter S corps are not receiving much help at all with this tax plan. S corps are primarily small businesses, and are very instrumental in our country. And the majority of owners in sub S corporations are middle class...


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All Sales tax hurts the poor/low income a lot more because they have to spend every penny to live.
the rich don,t spend most of their money.

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