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You're related to Aaron Heitke?
Dave
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Is this the current Chief? Howyoudoinhowyoudoinhowyoudoin'.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Not me. But he wishes I were.
Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla!
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Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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I must have missed the word rock in there somewhere.
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LOL Nice dodge, actually it was a piss poor dodge. A projectile is any object that once projected or dropped continues in motion by its own inertia and is influenced only by the downward force of gravity. As this thread is about the two agents that were attacked with "Rocks" and a rock thrown by definition is a projectile, ...well you do the math if you can. The agents being attacked and assaulted by use of rocks is a theory. The agents sustaining "serious physical injury or death" is fact. Dave True, but you said that there is Nothing in the manuals that says anything about throwing rocks (projectiles) and you were proven wrong.
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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I will read it again and look for the word rock.
Thanks.
Dave
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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I will read it again and look for the word rock.
Thanks.
Dave Remember this? I'd love to get my hands on an actual use of force policy from Customs and Border Protection and read it cover to cover so I could see all this. Although I'm pretty GD sure it doesn't have a single sentence dedicated to moving vehicles or rock throwing. Page 6, again. F. Use of Safe Tactics1. Authorized Officers/Agents should seek to employ enforcement tactics and techniques that effectively bring an incident under control, while promoting the safety of the officer/agent and the public, and minimizing the risk for unintended injury and/or property damage. 2. Except where otherwise required by inspections or other operations, Authorized Officers/Agents should avoid standing directly in front of or behind a subject vehicle. Officers/agents should not place themselves in the path of a moving vehicle or use their body to block a vehicle’s path.3. Authorized Officers/Agents should, whenever reasonable, avoid placing themselves in positions where they have no alternative to using deadly force. 4. Authorized Officers/Agents shall not discharge their firearms in response to thrown or launched projectiles unless the officer/agent has a reasonable belief, based on the totality of circumstances (to include the size and nature of the projectiles), that the subject of such force poses an imminent danger of serious physical injury or death to the officer/agent or to another person. Officers/agents may be able to obtain a tactical advantage in these situations, through measures such as seeking cover or distancing themselves from the immediate area of danger. https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/UseofForcePolicyHandbook.pdfThere it is again, right in your face in black-n-white. Are you getting tired of being wrong yet?
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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I will read it again and look for the word rock.
Thanks.
Dave Reading is for idiots. I clicked the link to the Use of Force Policy Handbook (notice it's not "ROE" or "Rules of Engagement"). When the .pdf opened, I searched the doc for the word "rock" and came up with zero results. I'm still waiting for the 2018 version with the work "rock." Maybe for Xmas.
It's about like this:
"Do you puff peters?"
"Hell no!"
"NAZI!!!"
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I will read it again and look for the word rock.
Thanks.
Dave Reading is for idiots. I clicked the link to the Use of Force Policy Handbook (notice it's not "ROE" or "Rules of Engagement"). When the .pdf opened, I searched the doc for the word "rock" and came up with zero results. I'm still waiting for the 2018 version with the work "rock." Maybe for Xmas. Did you find the doc for the words "moving vehicle"? It on page 6
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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actually there was another one in the tucson sector, he eventually got off tho, but they did try to hang him.
THE BIRTH PLACE OF GERONIMO
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THE BIRTH PLACE OF GERONIMO
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Steve,
You are correct. The Use of Force policy does state officers/agents shouldn't stand in front of moving vehicles. My understanding is that sentence was added after they hired one too many Minnesotan's.
You'll also note the Use of Force Policy doesn't say an agent can't use deadly force to prevent being seriously injured or killed by a vehicle.
Dave
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Steve,
You are correct. The Use of Force policy does state officers/agents shouldn't stand in front of moving vehicles. My understanding is that sentence was added after they hired one too many Minnesotan's.
You'll also note the Use of Force Policy doesn't say an agent can't use deadly force to prevent being seriously injured or killed by a vehicle.
Dave LOL Typical, you have learned well, when confronted with facts that prove one is either an idiot, a liar, or both, resort to personal attacks. Akin to calling anyone who disagrees with Obama or proves him an idiot and a liar a "racist" or anyone that disagrees with Hillary or proves her wrong, a Sexist. Yup, you have learned well, you should be proud.
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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Do you really consider what I wrote a personal attack?
Clark
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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That's bad ass. In what capacity did you work for the United States Border Patrol?
What was your relative a Commander of? Sounds like he had a fun job.
I didn't know law enforcement personnel had ROE's. I thought they operated under the rule of law. I wonder what the ROE's in Washington state are in comparison to southern California.
This is all fascinating stuff.
Travis I didn't work for them. After placing my top 3 preferred work stations, they informed me that it wasn't going to happen, and I would be on the Canadian border for 1-2 years. I didn't take them up on it. My relative was Chief Border Patrol Commander of half a dozen states. Your local podunk department doesn't have ROE's? Like "You can't engage in high speed pursuits, unless...." Or "You can't taze a subject, unless..." Go ahead and tell us a rock isn't a projectile, some more. Maybe someone will believe you if you say it often enough, or maybe whisper it... Could not find any reference to chief border patrol commander but I found this. There are 20 Border Patrol sectors, each headed by a Sector Chief Patrol Agent.
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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Do you really consider what I wrote a personal attack?
Clark Just to clarify your comment, how many Minnesotans were hired and how many is "one to many"?
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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Yeah...
I think perhaps your and my senses of humor are not synced.
Have a Happy Thanksgiving.
Clark
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Do you really consider what I wrote a personal attack?
Clark Just to clarify your comment, how many Minnesotans were hired and how many is "one to many"? One or more.
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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Do you really consider what I wrote a personal attack?
Clark Just to clarify your comment, how many Minnesotans were hired and how many is "one to many"? One or more. TFF Travis
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