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Does anyone foresee the day when active safeties are removed from AR's, bolt rifles, shotguns, etc?

There is no such thing as muscle memory, it's a figment of the imagination. You either train sufficiently, or you don't.

At the very least, a safety on a trigger cocker brings an extra level of safety for re-holstering; which is where many incidents happen.

No because they aren't carried in a holster to cover the trigger nor are those shooters likely to tolerate a DA only trigger pull.

How and why I use a self defense handgun is different than how and why I use handguns and rifles for hunting and range use. Hence I'm willing to make concessions and compromises for a self defense guns that are different than the concessions and compromises I use for hunting and range guns.

I've spent over 20 years engineering industrial life safety systems and studying fatal industrial accidents, prior to that I spent five years in manufacturing. What is absolutely clear to me from both an engineering and operations standpoint is the simpler you make a piece of equipment, procedure, process, action etc, the more reliable and safer it is when the chit hits the fan.

Back atcha, slick.

No, and for the simple reason that they are not carried in such a way as to preclude unintended engagement of the trigger, i.e., they aren't carried in a holster where the trigger is covered. With a handgun carried in a holster, we have the luxury of not needing a manual thumb safety for the purpose of preventing the trigger being unintentionally engaged during routine carry.

It's a term that means what you state, i.e., that you've trained enough so that it becomes second nature (and please don't object that there is only one nature, so there can't be a second one ... it's a figure of speech like, oh, let's see, what's a good example ... oh yes, like muscle memory). No one is proposing that muscles have brains. Please get serious.

I see you beat me to it.

Place your foot on the brake before putting your truck/car in gear without thinking about it. Even when you are in a hurry.You ever mess up?

No, it never happens.

Maybe if you had two many cocktails.

I had similar feelings when I watched the initial video. The guy was annoying and certainly will never be the on-line eye-candy for the tactical crowd. However, one guy that I have deep respect for is Tom Given. On another web site he posted the following:

"At the Rangemaster Instructor Reunion & Conference we recently held in Shawnee, Oklahoma, John Correia presented an outstanding lecture on what he has observed in watching 12,000 gunfights on video. That’s right, 12,000. Surveillance cameras are everywhere now, and that fact brings us many, many videotaped violent incidents to study.

Noted trainer Karl Rehn (KR Training, near Austin, TX), attended the conference and he has written up his thoughts on John’s presentation. You can see them at http://blog.krtraining.com/even-more...or-conference/"

I guess that the guy sits around watching videos of gunfights all day and draws conclusions from what he's observed----some are probably bs but some are just statistical realities, i.e. less than 8 times out of over 12,000 observations was a reload ever performed during the action that had any effect on the outcome. Interesting. I found the link worth watching---not sure I'm up to putting up with watching Correia's youtube channel yet, but he might have some stuff there worth watching also.
JMO-YMMV

Seems to me the first step would be to get some instruction and become "clueful" for yourself, before worrying about whether or not you're packing the cool gun.

Are you on drugs? Who are you talking to?

Yes, that is CLASS!

They may have been wearing off...when I typed that...or were they kicking in...I can never tell

Good grief it ain’t that difficult to flick a frickin thumb safety off.

I'll let Mark Wahlberg's brother straighten you out.

What... This was a serious thread by the OP?

I don’t need straightening out I’ve been flicking that thumb safety since 1974 and never once hand a single solitary problem.

Don’t have a problem with any type of safety

During my tenure as a Deputy Sheriff, I carried a Para Ordnance P-14 for two years. I drew down on 4 people (4 separate incidents) who were holding firearms. My pistol was out, thumb safety off, finger along the frame before I realized I had drawn my duty gun. Thankfully, I have been shot at only once, and the chances were slim that the shooter was going to hit us. He was an MHMR patient off of his meds. He had run his entire family out of the house by waving a pistol around and firing recklessly. When we pulled up I bailed out of my car, having placed the engine block between me and him (hopefully) because he was shooting from inside the house in our general direction. I found I was holding my P-14, thumb safety off, finger along side the frame, sights aligned in general with the front of the house, again...before I realized I had done it. No one was shot so it was a happy outcome. If you want to carry a 1911 platform you have to practice practice practice. I spent my own time and money to attend semi-automatic transition schools. I estimate that we drew and fired, from the secured holster, over 1000 times during each of the schools. We not only worked on getting safeties off, etc., we also cleared malfunctions until we were sick of it. Time crunches supplied some of the stress, and an overload of competitive testosterone supplied the rest of the stress.

Try using a Lightweight Commander. You might like. Many do.