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I'd say it's boiled down to a contest of egos who absolutely "have" to be right, with occasional voices of reason crying out in the dark. Being the voice of reason is sometimes difficult, but I'm glad to have provided said service for this thread.
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How do you collate being the voice of reason, and starting a thread like this?
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I'd say it's boiled down to a contest of egos who absolutely "have" to be right, with occasional voices of reason crying out in the dark. Being the voice of reason is sometimes difficult, but I'm glad to have provided said service for this thread. And we really appreciate that.
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Nobody has an opinion on the grip safety of the 1911?
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Nobody has an opinion on the grip safety of the 1911? It would better if it weren't there, but they tend to work without any intention or training (other than for proper grip), so it's no great big deal. Cooper pinned his in place, thus making them as if they weren't there.
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The old time TX Rangers used to pin their grip safety's on their 1911's. Some of them even tied them off with a piece of string, before gunsmiths figured out how to pin them.
I haven't been there in years, but at the TX Rangers Museum in Waco, they used to have some on display that had been modified. A few of them had even ground off the front of the trigger guard for easier access to the trigger, while drawing their weapon.
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With our overly litigious society I wouldn't disable a safety on any firearm I planned to use for self defense.
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The old time TX Rangers used to pin their grip safety's on their 1911's. Some of them even tied them off with a piece of string, before gunsmiths figured out how to pin them.
I haven't been there in years, but at the TX Rangers Museum in Waco, they used to have some on display that had been modified. A few of them had even ground off the front of the trigger guard for easier access to the trigger, while drawing their weapon. http://www.sightm1911.com/1911pix/historic/Texas_Ranger_1911.htm
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Does anyone foresee the day when active safeties are removed from AR's, bolt rifles, shotguns, etc? No, and for the simple reason that they are not carried in such a way as to preclude unintended engagement of the trigger, i.e., they aren't carried in a holster where the trigger is covered. With a handgun carried in a holster, we have the luxury of not needing a manual thumb safety for the purpose of preventing the trigger being unintentionally engaged during routine carry. The holster thing is one of the talking points that the 'no safety' crowd uses, but it's of no consequence to me since my handguns are designed to be carried in-hand.
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You just walk anywhere and everywhere with your gun in your hand?
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The old time TX Rangers used to pin their grip safety's on their 1911's. Some of them even tied them off with a piece of string, before gunsmiths figured out how to pin them. Novak Sights used to sell "The Answer" which was a one-piece beavertail and mainspring housing that disabled the grip safety. I still see one occasionally.
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You just walk anywhere and everywhere with your gun in your hand? When it matters, yes.
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One can indeed engage the trigger first and then swipe the safety and the gun fires, one can engage the trigger and safety at the same time and the gun fires or as you say one can flick the safety off and then engage the trigger and the gun fires. They all work. For me I don’t have problems moving from a thumb safety to a revolver or semi auto pistol without a safety, or a shotgun with safety or a rifle with a safety no matter where it is located.
I struggle to figure out how some create a problem with this.
Agreed, I used to compete in 3 different classes in the same day. 1911 for open class, Beretta 92 for stock class, and a 686 for revolver class (Occasionally a Webley Mk IV), all in the same day; can't recall EVER having a problem under pressure when switching handguns. Gotta always have your brain 100% in the game. I know for a fact that under pressure I revert to whatever I have been shooting the most. Right after I got to Ft Lewis my unit was hosting a Canadian unit and had a 3 gun match (using issue gear)as part of it. Up till then almost all of my pistol shooting had been on my own time with a 1911. To make a long story short on the pistol stage on the very first target I drew my M9 and swiped the safety on. The pressure was all self induced since it was just a competition, but it was enough to cause me an issue. I went and bought a 92 and haven't shot my 45 since then. Our Safariland 6004 holsters would cause me issues every once in a while too when I'd forget to close the hood. I'd start the draw and when my thumb didn't find the hood where it was supposed to be it would cause a moments hesitation.
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dodgefan...you just described exactly what I have observed for the last 25 years of teaching...
Shooters who have the "gun of the month" attitude think they are just fine mixing and matching guns of all types. They do just fine shooting or doing drills but put them under the pressure of a blind scenario or a real life incident and they often fall apart. This is especially true of people who usually shoot a revolver or striker fired semi when they throw a semi in the mix that had a manual safety. Can't tell you how many times I've en these people come out of the holster and pull the trigger to have nothing happen...
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You just walk anywhere and everywhere with your gun in your hand? No, just to the end of the concrete slab on the back porch after dark.
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The old time TX Rangers used to pin their grip safety's on their 1911's. Some of them even tied them off with a piece of string, before gunsmiths figured out how to pin them. Novak Sights used to sell "The Answer" which was a one-piece beavertail and mainspring housing that disabled the grip safety. I still see one occasionally. Good idea.
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You just walk anywhere and everywhere with your gun in your hand? When it matters, yes. I thought this thread was about concealed carry. My Bad.
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You just walk anywhere and everywhere with your gun in your hand? No, just to the end of the concrete slab on the back porch after dark. Your talking about your big gun now. I see.
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In honor of our discussion, I took one of my 1911s to the range. Shot the little fellow, too.
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