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Armednfree,

SPOT ON.

As to what COs face, I've been a CO (I spent 22 moinths in the detention center.) & a street LEO & there is LITTLE similarity in the 2 jobs.

The BIGGEST thing is that I always worked the street with "back-up" almost always FAR AWAY or UNAVAILABLE at all.
(I once "got into a situation" with 8 BGs & NO "back up". ALL that I coluld do was take cover in the nearby bar-ditch & call for help. That night I had a .38SPL Colt's OP, 12 rounds & a double-barrel 12 gauge with 4 extra #1 Buck rounds. = Over a HALF-HOUR later, I got some help from 4 deputies from another county & a State P&WD officer. Things thereafter were sucessfully concluded.)

LOTS of unpleasant things can happen at night, when you are "in a mess" & ALONE.
(I spent my years as county officer working 3rd shift & with my "partner" generally 10 or more miles away. - Rural LE work is REALLY different from city LE.)

yours, tex

Most individuals who are shot by law enforcement officers have one thing in common, non-compliance.

itppowell,

YES & it is equally likely 99+% of that 323K+ were CRIMINALS, too.

yours, tex

You know, it was gettin kinda slow around here and I figured you all needed something to talk truth about. Decided to go ahead and Jeff_O myself. I do use blue tape on my barrels though.

I love my current job but I’m constantly using things I learned on the inside and other officers would really benefit from that experience. Whether its talking with mentally ill people without escalating or putting people in restraints (probably cuffed more people in a month working intensive management than a police officer will cuff in a career).

GreatWaputi,

Well, you're half correct anyhow. = The GOOD BOOK says, "A soft answer turneth away wrath."

In nearly 3 decades of "being pinned to a badge", I've found that the soft answer almost always works to disarm the criminal.
(YES, I mean that in both ways.)

yours, tex

HIre cops whose trigger fingers are not so itchy and who have tools other than hammers on their belt. Shooting innocent folk on their own front porch is really bad form and without excuse.

GunGeezer,

Do you have any notion of how RARE that that sort of thing actually happens?? - DON'T believe what you've seen/heard on TV/radio & in the "newspapers".

WITNESSES, who are family/friends. LIE like rugs in MANY cases & more often than not.
(Body cams haven't stopped the OBVIOUS LIES, either.)

yours, tex

Good luck with your theory.

Doesn't stop at the church door.

Mad Max,

The VAST MAJORITY of persons, who are actually shot by LEOs, are VICIOUS CRIMINALS, who assaulted or attempted to harm, the officer(s).
(Come at me, armed with a deadly weapon, I definitely WILL defend myself. = In one instance, a 2-time VIOLENT ex-con came at me with a 22" long cane knife. In the aftermath, his wife complained to the sheriff that I pointed a shotgun at her husband & threatened to kill him. = She was HALF-truthful, as I DID point the pump-gun at him & told him, "STOP or I'll shoot." - He threw the knife down & thereafter was apprehended/tried/convicted & spent 220 days in the parish jail, plus 3 years supervised probation for attempted armed assault.)

In >3 decades, I've personally know of TWO cases that were even of "questionable circumstances" & those were two cases out of the THOUSAND plus incidents that I had actual knowledge of.

yours, tex

I stand by what I said, irrespective of the truth of what you typed. Non-compliance with either the law or the instructions of law enforcement officers increases one's odds of getting shot, significantly. Most individuals shot by leos are guilty of one or the other or both

Mad Max,

Fwiw, I don't think that I was disagreeing with you. = I just don't want any non-LEO to be deceived by the Cop-HATING LIARS & BIGOTS, that one so often hears on TV or whose LIES one sees written in the newspapers.

As I said earlier, body cameras have NOT stopped the LYING by witnesses, who are family/associates of the criminal minority.
(I long ago lost count of the SILLY & STUPID lies told by "eyewitnesses", who could NOT have possibly seen what they claimed to have witnessed.)
When I worked in Baltimore, an "eyewitness" claimed that she had seen a Baltimore City Detective "assault an unarmed Black man out of my bedroom window". - When it was revealed that there was a 4-story building between where she testified that she was at the time & where the alleged assault occurred, the "witness" stated under oath that she DID see what she claimed out of her bedroom window.
(When ahe testified in court, the judge warned her that "perjury is a felony", the "eyewitness" again claimed in court that, "I saw what I said that I saw. He done beat that man real bad with a stick." = As a result of her repeated perjury, she was arrested/indicted/convicted/sentenced to State prison. - When questioned about her false testimony by a reporter from WBAL TV, the witness stated that she just wanted to "be on TV" & later admitted that she was NOT even in Baltimore on that day.)

yours, tex

Happy New Year to all you heroic cops. My new year’s resolution will be to not believe any news articles on any medium having to do with cops except for the ones that show them bringing milk to folks who can’t get out of their house. Those instances of police corruption which I see with my own eyes I will lay off to faulty vision. If I encounter any of you in the upcoming year I will try to be a better perp.

May free donuts accompany you on all your travels in 2018.

curdog4570.

QUESTION: How many times have you been "handled" by a police agency for any infraction??

You sound like a typical "Cop-HATER", who HATES us because you got caught breaking the law.

yours, tex

Regarding police shootings of blacks, they need to be taught that when the red lights come on to pull them over, they are technically under arrest until released. Have noticed a majority of shootings occur because they disregard or ignore police instructions, like show your hands, dont't come any closer, etc.
Police could give classes on how to behave when being arrested to black churches and schools, or perhaps shown on some TV ads.

An innocent man is dead. DEAD. Children without a father. Wife without a husband. DEAD. Shot dead on his own porch, having done not one thing wrong. Not an ND.
Not an overpenetration thru a bad guy. Not mistaken identfty. Not a miss in a justifieable fire fight that killed an innocent two blocks away from a real crime. Oh hell no. This innocent man was the target, shot intentionally by SOB killer cop and without cause or excuse. And all the thin blue line can do is ramble on about it being so unfortunate, so rare, and mostly blame it on the swatter. Just an unfortnate end to the day. So sad. Our bad.

What the hell does it matter how rare it is? HE IS DEAD! That crap should NEVER happen.

Yep. Even if you've done nothing more than answer your front door, opened it, and stepped out on the porch with no weapons, no ill intent, no danger to anyone. Even if you don't run. Even if you don't put hands on the officer who is crouched beside his car 50 yards away you must "respect my authority" or I'll bust a cap in your head and leave you dead and your family alone in the world. This dead guy just was not being compliant. Got what deserved. Nothing to see here citizens. Move along. Cops can do no wrong as long they get to go home safe.

LEOs should have to carry their own liability insurance. Their record(just like a driving record) should follow them wherever they work. Rights violations, procedure violations, bad shoots, excessive force, on the job accidents, drug use, all should increase their insurance rate, Poor cops will be out of a job due to high rates.


Too many problem cops still have a job( be it with the same dept or the next town over)

Too many cities are paying high settlements for the actions of poor cops

And your post reads just like a typical cop response. Y’all switch from being the whiny little under appreciated, victimized, mis understood, unacknowledged hero to being aggressive.

You are new here so I’ll explain myself once more...... I don’t hate cops. As individuals I count many of them among my friends, some are members here.

What I hate are Bureaucrats, and while most Bureaucrats can only deprive me of my money or property, you Bureaucrats With Badges can kill me with impunity. I depend on fear of punishment as a big factor in my security. Y’all have no reason to fear punishment because the Bureaucracy protects its own.

So..... now you know. You can stop speculating.

That's a pretty good idea.