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Using Petey as an example is bad science as you can have 100 generations of dogs in 80 years. You can make a Golden Retreiver into a Yorkie in that time.

supercrewd,

My point is that it's NOT that Pitt Bulls are any more dangerous than any other large/strong breed of dog BUT that it is 100% the FAULT of the PEOPLE that failed to socialize and/or properly train their dogs AND/OR that many thugs/criminals INTENTIONALLY train their dogs to attack other canines/people.

ANY of the large breeds can be IMPROPERLY trained & made into DANGEROUS "junkyard dogs", that FEW people have any legitimate need of having.

Here in The Alamo City we are TRYING hard to have a "no kill city.county animal shelter" & are making GOOD progress toward that worthy goal BUT we are still (SADLY!!) having to "put down" a considerable number of dogs that were INTENTIONALLY MADE into DANGEROUS WEAPONS by FOOLS, HATERS & OUTRIGHT CRIMINALS.
(Recently, the BCSO seized 5 LARGE & UNCONTROLLABLE "mutts" of no particular breed, from a group of drug-peddling criminals down in "Southside SA". = ALL of the five had to be "put down" by the animal shelter staff, as they were definitely VICIOUS.)

yours, tex.

They should kill every single dog that has Pit blood, that video is mind boggling.

A no kill shelter is nice, so long as there are plenty of other shelters that can take in the pits and put them in the cremation ovens where they belong.

31 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2016. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 900 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 71% (22) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6% of the total U.S. dog population.

Family dogs inflicted 45% (14) of all deaths in 2016; family pit bulls accounted for 86% (12) of these deaths, up from an 11-year average of 63%. Of the 22 fatal pit bull attacks, 55% (12) involved a family or household member vs. 45% (10) non-family.


DogsBite.org

"My first lap-dog, when I was a little boy was a red-nosed Pitt Bull & "Dopey" loved everyone & would bite nothing more alive than a buttered biscuit."

A local boy was killed a few years ago by the family pet (not a guard dog) Pit Bull they raised from a small puppy. It happened in Georgetown, Texas so maybe you can locate the family and explain how it was their fault . The kids were playing inside and all of a sudden the Pit Bull grabbed the young boy by the throat and killed him. This dog had never exhibited any aggression towards anybody before it happened and didn't after .

Denver has it right...

http://www.westword.com/news/leaked-photos-of-pit-bulls-killed-due-to-denver-ban-5877914

"Here in The Alamo City we are TRYING hard to have a "no kill city.county animal shelter" & are making GOOD progress toward that worthy goal"

If I lived there I'd everything I could help you with that problem. I'd kill every Pit Bull I saw that wasn't on a leash. I saw an idiot walking his big Pit Bull on a leash by a local high school (in a very nice neighborhood) just as school was letting out. This Pit Bull jerked the leash out of the b the idiot's and hand and went after 2 young high schools girls walking on the sidewalk. The guy was able to catch the Pit before he got to the girls. I had already stopped my truck and was getting out with my pistol in hand before he caught the pit.

Similar statistics re: blacks has TRH posting a video per day about it.

It is actually a fairly neutral presentation of the event. I am sure the intent is to shock the viewer with the images. I don't really remember the law and its implementation but I can only surmise that the dogs were not confiscated as that would be illegal. They must have been either running at large, endangering people and I would guess a small amount surrendered to the shelter. If anyone has further info on this let us know.

2009, so has the experiment worked? Any Denver pit bull deaths? Denver is really pretty small in acreage to house 3500 pit bulls.

This is back to the nature/nurture argument. "Improper training" vs the inherent nature of the dog. Improper training is having a dog that will tug on the leash, or not come when you call. A dog that attacks despite what you do is the inherent nature of the beast. Watching the attack video you can see the nature of these dogs, they are displaying pack predator behavior and attacking, many times with the helpless boob who owns them trying to stop them.

Understanding Denver’s Breed Ban for Pit Bulls
Under Denver’s Ordinance Sec. 8-55, pit bull breeds (American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, or Staffordshire Bull Terrier) are banned in the City and County of Denver.
Pit bull type dogs are defined as any dog displaying the majority of physical traits of any one or more of the above breeds, or any dog exhibiting those distinguishing (physical) characteristics, which substantially conform to the standards established by American Kennel Club or United Kennel Club.

If your dog is impounded by Denver Animal Protection as an illegal pit bull, American Pit Bull Terrier, Staffordshire terrier or Staffordshire bull terrier, it will be brought to the Denver Animal Shelter for an official breed evaluation.

Breed Evaluations & Outcomes

If you are unsure of your dog’s primary breed, you can make an appointment with the Denver Animal Shelter for a breed assessment. If animal control has impounded your dog for suspicion of breed ban violation, you will be contacted with breed evaluation results within 3–5 business days. Evaluations are completed by three certified staff members who will determine if the majority of the physical traits are consistent with the banned breeds per the ordinance.

If the dog is determined to be one of the banned breeds, it will not be allowed to stay in Denver. The owner must relocate their dog to an address outside of Denver, and within a city that does not have a breed restriction ordinance.

If it is determined that the dog does not have the majority physical characteristics of the banned breeds, the dog will be allowed in Denver. The owner will be provided with an official breed evaluation letter stating that the dog was evaluated by Denver Animal Protection. All dogs in Denver are required to have a rabies vaccination, city license and be spayed or neutered or have an intact permit.

If you dispute the classification of your dog as a pit bull, you may file a written petition for a hearing concerning such classification no later than 7 days after impoundment.

For second offenders of the breed ban, the dog then becomes the property of Denver Animal Protection. Per the ordinance, animal control will evaluated the dog’s health and temperament to determine whether the dog can be relocated to a rescue outside of Denver.

Fees & Fines

If your dog is impounded & determined to be a pit bull breed, you will be responsible for all fines and boarding fees. Fines are determined by a judge; boarding fees are based on the amount of time your dog was at the shelter. If your dog is impounded & determined to not be a breed included in the ban, you will not be responsible for any boarding fees or fines.

Any pitbull redemption must occur between Monday - Thursday between 10:30 a.m. and 5 p.m., and Saturday and Sunday between 11 a.m. and 3:30 p.m.

I found some pit bull porn...

http://www.pblnn.com/

Well that right there kinda says it all, doesn't it? For you MF'ers that say pit bulls aren't to blame...well, you're a dumbass.

Triggernosis; All,

Once more for the FEW obviously OVERLY HYSTERICAL, NAIVE, terminally IGNORANT, insanely PREJUDICED & even a few STUPID people here on the forum, GO RE-READ my comments about "pitt bull statistics" in posts # 12476437, # 12477576 AND especially # 12477524, if your mind is not "closed for the season"..
(I see no good reason to repeat myself, especially for those who REFUSE to see that they are simply misinformed & 100% WRONG.)

Fwiw, I was a Army Military Police SNCO & Commissioned Officer (YES, I have both enlisted & commissioned time in the USA.) for about 3 decades & KNOW a great deal more than 90% of the members of this forum about Personal Protection Dogs, guard dogs, patrol dogs & other sorts of trained working caniines.
(Not only was I a MP Canine handler for 5+years but I supervised the Kennel Master, the Canine Handlers & other MPs for over 15 years at five major posts in CONUS & OCONUS too & unlike most of the "pitt bull HATERS" here, I know what I'm talking about.).

ImVho, the people here who (absent KNOWLEDGE) reflexively FEAR any breed of dog are the SAME sort of MORON who fears "assault weapons", handguns in civilian hands & even those pitiful FOOLS & IDIOTS who want to forbid anyone from owning firearms of any sort.

To those here who threaten to kill any pitt bull that they encounter (especially here in Texas), be aware that you are likely, after killing someone's dog (because of your foolish, hysterical, ignorant & stupid attitude), are likely to be arrested for a felony/indicted/tried/convicted/incarcerated in a penal institution for a long time.

yours for commonsense, intelligence & facts, tex
Major, USAMPC, Retired

All your military dog handling experience/expertise doesn't mean jack $hit to me . If a dog bites me or my wife or one of my dogs, I will cut its throat or shoot it, whichever I can do first, even if it is a pit bull. I won't shoot one without a reason, but one that runs loose is on very thin ice.

Major, while you pointed out that the New York Times Style Guide describes a pit bull as such-and-such, the website https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2016.php
clearly distinguishes the true pit bull from other breeds (look at their graph af the bottom of the page). Thus, your point regarding the NYTimes definition is moot.

And to your other point(s) about people's experience with owning Personal Protection Dogs...I mean, just what IS your point there? Are you saying that if a person doesn't have experience owning a personal protection dog that they aren't able to discern that pit bulls are responsible for more dog attack fatalities than other breeds?

Who, exactly, is "OVERLY HYSTERICAL, NAIVE, terminally IGNORANT, insanely PREJUDICED & even a few STUPID" here?

sharpsguy,

I suggest that you stay OUT of Texas, as our folks can probably LAWFULLY "defend their valuable property" AND may also take civil action against you for destroying their personal property. = You won't enjoy a trip to the ER, possible bankruptcy and/or several years in Huntsviille. - FACT.

Also, those without ACTIUAL PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE & TRAINING in any subject would do well to defer to those who have actual knowledge & training.
(Would you ask a plumber to take out your appendix OR would you want to treat yourself, rather than calling a physician??)

yours, tex

Triggernosis,


Reference "pitt bull attack figures", Did you miss that ANY canine of ANY sort (from a 4# Yorkie to a HUGE Mastiff/Great Dane) is identified by the NYT Style Guide as a "pit bull" & that is WHERE all those "scary-sounding stories" came from. - The "biting" canine is just as likely to be a MUTT, a Collie, a Yorkie, an English Pointer, a foxhound or even a Poodle as a Pitt Bull or any other working breed. REMEMBER: The NYT Style Guide describes ANY dog that harms persons or damages property as a "Pit Bull". ====> That is FACT, whether you want to admit the LIES told with the MORON LEFT's"figures" or NOT.
(Believing the "Pitt Bull attack SCARE stories" is just as FALSE & FOOLISH as a person believing that Chevrolet Corvette sports cars are involved in the vast majority of TA fatalities.)

Actually, I'm suggesting that several people here of your opinion on this thread have too little knowledge to have an informed/intelligent opinion & are just RANTING foolishly. = Those rants sound like those of a HYSTERIC & (pardon me) a naive/ignorant DOLT, who "knows NOT & knows NOT that they know NOT".
(Learning FACTS & remaining silent until you understand those facts, keeps a person from LOOKING like a DUNCE.)

yours, tex

Tex, they must have legalized weed in TX as the most valuable property is your safety and well being. If a dog, trained or not, were to threaten your safety and well being, actual or perceived, it is a eligible for being destroyed...