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Lordy. As if this whole thing wasn't fücked up enough already.

I'm just seeing this. Fuuuuüuuuck

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article195231139.html

Lordy. As if this whole thing wasn't fücked up enough already.

I'm just seeing this. Fuuuuüuuuck

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article195231139.html

LOL... Its good to see that JellO has found some new DNC/MSM light in his hole to inspire him to greater heights. He probably still need to change the bong water, however.

Lordy. As if this whole thing wasn't fücked up enough already.

I'm just seeing this.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article195231139.html

Ron Hosko, former chief of the FBI’s criminal division, said the president has placed himself in a potentially “precarious” legal position that also will make a looming interview with Mueller’s investigators even more complicated.
“If Mueller also has evidence that the Trump campaign coordinated with the Russians, the president’s attempt to fire Mueller only invites an obstruction charge,” Hosko said. “And if there is evidence of an underlying crime of collusion, I think you could see Mueller move very quickly.

Ok, here's the thing.

As I've said all along- yep it's here on the thread, several times, go look for yourselves- I'm not some rabid "resistance" member who wants Trump's head on a pike for whatever reason(s) can be drummed up. Obstruction charges, should they arise, need to be be very well grounded. Because, it's not like it's hard to imagine an innocent Trump reflexively lashing out in defense of his people; while that might be stupid, or even criminal, depending on what he did, THAT is not my concern here.

My concern here is that a winning POTUS candidate colluded with our main global adversary for the last 70+ years in order to influence and affect the exercise of democracy that it at the very core of what makes America America. That would be treasonous on its face. Such a POTUS would be utterly compromised. Completely unacceptable.

Dismayingly, what passes for the tattered shreds of the Right are trying like hell to turn this into a partisan thing. Look right straight in the mirror, gentle readers. Because guess what- even if people inside the FBI did think he was a pathological-liar buffoon who was utterly unsuited for the job, it's not because they were WRONG. Most of us thought that, even many who voted for him. And it turns out we were right. THINKING THAT is not evidence of a vast conspiracy. Thinking that is evidence of a functional brain. So, try as you might to turn this into a political shïtshow; at the end of the day it's completely legitimate and proper to get to the bottom of this regardless of what investigators may have thought about Trump under one specific set of circumstances: he and his campaign were in fact in collusion with Russia to affect the due process of American democracy.

So I will reiterate. The bar for my personal opinion as to whether I'll accept obstruction charges against Trump is pretty high: only if there is the underlying conspiracy that was being protected by this obstruction.

My bet (remember? that bet nobody would take?) has been that there was collusion. If, and only if, there WAS, then this ain't about a Deep State coup or whatever other fever-dream bullshït y'all have cooked up. It's about treason, and the proper response of those tasked with monitoring and prosecuting same.

Ron Hosko, former chief of the FBI’s criminal division, said the president has placed himself in a potentially “precarious” legal position that also will make a looming interview with Mueller’s investigators even more complicated.
“If Mueller also has evidence that the Trump campaign coordinated with the Russians, the president’s attempt to fire Mueller only invites an obstruction charge,” Hosko said. “And if there is evidence of an underlying crime of collusion, I think you could see Mueller move very quickly.

Ok, here's the thing.

As I've said all along- yep it's here on the thread, several times, go look for yourselves- I'm not some rabid "resistance" member who wants Trump's head on a pike for whatever reason(s) can be drummed up. Obstruction charges, should they arise, need to be be very well grounded. Because, it's not like it's hard to imagine an innocent Trump reflexively lashing out in defense of his people; while that might be stupid, or even criminal, depending on what he did, THAT is not my concern here.

My concern here is that a winning POTUS candidate colluded with our main global adversary for the last 70+ years in order to influence and affect the exercise of democracy that it at the very core of what makes America America. That would be treasonous on its face. Such a POTUS would be utterly compromised. Completely unacceptable.

Dismayingly, what passes for the tattered shreds of the Right are trying like hell to turn this into a partisan thing. Look right straight in the mirror, gentle readers. Because guess what- even if people inside the FBI did think he was a pathological-liar buffoon who was utterly unsuited for the job, it's not because they were WRONG. Most of us thought that, even many who voted for him. And it turns out we were right. THINKING THAT is not evidence of a vast conspiracy. Thinking that is evidence of a functional brain. So, try as you might to turn this into a political shïtshow; at the end of the day it's completely legitimate and proper to get to the bottom of this regardless of what investigators may have thought about Trump under one specific set of circumstances: he and his campaign were in fact in collusion with Russia to affect the due process of American democracy.

So I will reiterate. The bar for my personal opinion as to whether I'll accept obstruction charges against Trump is pretty high: only if there is the underlying conspiracy that was being protected by this obstruction.

My bet (remember? that bet nobody would take?) has been that there was collusion. If, and only if, there WAS, then this ain't about a Deep State coup or whatever other fever-dream bullshït y'all have cooked up. It's about treason, and the proper response of those tasked with monitoring and prosecuting same.

Ron Hosko, former chief of the FBI’s criminal division, said the president has placed himself in a potentially “precarious” legal position that also will make a looming interview with Mueller’s investigators even more complicated.
“If Mueller also has evidence that the Trump campaign coordinated with the Russians, the president’s attempt to fire Mueller only invites an obstruction charge,” Hosko said. “And if there is evidence of an underlying crime of collusion, I think you could see Mueller move very quickly.

Ok, here's the thing.

As I've said all along- yep it's here on the thread, several times, go look for yourselves- I'm not some rabid "resistance" member who wants Trump's head on a pike for whatever reason(s) can be drummed up. Obstruction charges, should they arise, need to be be very well grounded. Because, it's not like it's hard to imagine an innocent Trump reflexively lashing out in defense of his people; while that might be stupid, or even criminal, depending on what he did, THAT is not my concern here.

My concern here is that a winning POTUS candidate colluded with our main global adversary for the last 70+ years in order to influence and affect the exercise of democracy that it at the very core of what makes America America. That would be treasonous on its face. Such a POTUS would be utterly compromised. Completely unacceptable.

Dismayingly, what passes for the tattered shreds of the Right are trying like hell to turn this into a partisan thing. Look right straight in the mirror, gentle readers. Because guess what- even if people inside the FBI did think he was a pathological-liar buffoon who was utterly unsuited for the job, it's not because they were WRONG. Most of us thought that, even many who voted for him. And it turns out we were right. THINKING THAT is not evidence of a vast conspiracy. Thinking that is evidence of a functional brain. So, try as you might to turn this into a political shïtshow; at the end of the day it's completely legitimate and proper to get to the bottom of this regardless of what investigators may have thought about Trump under one specific set of circumstances: he and his campaign were in fact in collusion with Russia to affect the due process of American democracy.

So I will reiterate. The bar for my personal opinion as to whether I'll accept obstruction charges against Trump is pretty high: only if there is the underlying conspiracy that was being protected by this obstruction.

My bet (remember? that bet nobody would take?) has been that there was collusion. If, and only if, there WAS, then this ain't about a Deep State coup or whatever other fever-dream bullshït y'all have cooked up. It's about treason, and the proper response of those tasked with monitoring and prosecuting same.

Information collected by the Dutch Joint Sigint Cyber Unit (JSCU) was turned over to the NSA, CIA, and FBI, and helped form the basis for the U.S. special counsel investigation examining claims of Russian meddling during the 2016 presidential election campaign battle between current U.S. President Donald Trump and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. The JSCU, comprised of members from the AIVD and MIVD intelligence agencies, kept watch over Cozy Bear from anywhere between 12 to 30 months.

It started in the summer of 2014 "most likely before" the crash of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17, the Volkskrant reported. The flight, which originated in Amsterdam, was shot out of the sky over the Ukraine. The incident was suspected to be the act of Russian-backed separatists or Russian military.

That summer, the JSCU got word of an elite Moscow-based hacker group working from a university campus near Red Square. By November, the JSCU had infiltrated the Russian network, and accessed the camera, witnessing how, and likely who was involved in a massive cyber attack carried out against the United States.

"The NSA defenders, aided by the FBI, prevailed over the intruders, who were working for a Russian spy agency," the Washington Post wrote of the U.S. counter-attack, which took over a day to thwart. "The NSA was alerted to the compromises by a Western intelligence agency. The ally had managed to hack not only the Russians’ computers, but also the surveillance cameras inside their workspace, according to the former officials," the Post noted.

Cozy Bear, alternatively known as "The Dukes" and "APT29", is believed to be responsible for hacking attempts in the Netherlands, the NOS/Volkskrant report stated. They partnered with "Fancy Bear" to attack the DNC twice, including a 2015 attempt that was discovered by the Dutch team and revealed to the FBI.

The JSCU is no longer able to monitor Cozy Bear, but the Dutch news report did not detail why. However, the news outlets reported that Dutch officials were angered by the unnamed sources in the Washington Post report as that may have compromised the Dutch team. The story was published months after Trump took office.

It has led to the Dutch intelligence agencies becoming more hesitant at sharing information with U.S., particularly with Trump in the White House, the Volkskrant stated.

Former FBI Director and current special counsel Robert Mueller just this week indicated he would like to interview Trump as part of the Russia investigation, CNN reported. Mueller also wants to speak with former NSA head Michael Flynn, who pleaded guilty to lying to FBI investigators during a January 24, 2017, meeting, and Steve Bannon, Trump's former White House Chief of Staff.