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Yes, much of what was taken by Versailles from Germany after WWI to form the then-new nation of Poland was formerly called east and west Prussia, traditionally provinces of Germany. Danzig was on the northern tip of what was formerly east Prussia.

I have, scores of them. When we first got here from Cuba in 1960, we lived in Miami Beach in an apartment complex that was full of Holocaust survivors and ALL of them had the tattoo and ALL of them, witnessed and related the horrors.

No sir. Germany declared war on Dec 10, 1941. Aid to England had been going way before then. Germany declared war in support of the japs.

The Nuremberg Tribunals proved the victors get to make the rules. PERIOD. No problems in trying (with compelling evidence) and executing those who took part in the exterminations etc, but the execution of the likes of Keitel, Jodl and even Goring (well, he committed suicide) fly in the face of logic, when for example Albert Speer (who RAN the overall camp/slave labor process) was spared and why? because the West needed him and others like him (Bayer, I.G Farben, Krupp, Porsche, etc) to rebuild Germany (west) and stave off the Soviets, a system we helped to perpetuate. And I'll add, the historical ignorance going on here is proof positive of the horrendous education system here in the US.

Dayton, OH, back in the early '70s, the mother of a Jewish neighbor friend of my wife's had the numbered concentration camp tattoo. We saw it when she brought her mom over and introduce us to her once.

Gotcha thanks for the clarification. There are an awful lot of things going on in this thread and what you were referencing wasn’t exactly clear.

Do you recognize that one can at the same time see the “trials” as illegitimate due to process while at the same time being less enthusiastic in dismissing the systematic elimination of a people group than you are?

One can also hold that the holocaust displayed a particukar sort of human depravity while acknowledging that the murderous rampage of the Nazis wasn’t the only one in the 20th century nor even the worst in terms of numbers dead.

Lately I’ve observed a lot fewer people willing to hold truths that oppose both “party lines” at the same time. People seem to be scrambling to “their corners” in a sort of intellectual tribalism rather than demonstrate intellectual honesty in stating that their side or their guy may have something wrong. Then we get involved in these ridiculous arguments about things that sidestep central issues like the freedom of speech & thought in this thread.

I agree w/ satx’s comments on the take-always for me concerning this Canadian lady’s predicament.

History of Poland:
In March 1939, Hitler occupied the rest of Western Czechoslovakia. This consequently broke the Munich Agreement.
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On 31 March 1939, in response to Nazi Germany's defiance of the Munich Agreement and occupation of Czechoslovakia,[5] the United Kingdom pledged the support of itself and France to guarantee Polish independence.

At the time Adolf Hitler was demanding the cession of the port of Danzig, an extraterritorial highway (the Reichsautobahn Berlin-Königsberg) across the Polish Corridor, and special privileges for the German minority within Poland.

By the terms of the military alliance, each party (i.e. Poland and Britain) was free to decide whether to oppose with force any territorial encroachment, as the pact did not include any statement of either party's commitment to the defence of the other party's territorial integrity.[20] The Pact did contain provisions regarding "indirect threats" and attempts to undermine either party's independence by means of "economic penetration", a clear reference to the peculiar status of the Free City of Danzig. Fearing all-out German invasion no matter what, Poland rejected the German demands.
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On August 23, 1939 Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union signed the Molotov–Ribbentrop non-aggression pact, which secretly provided for the dismemberment of Poland into Nazi and Soviet-controlled zones.
This Pact; where Russia and Germany split Poland in half gave
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Germany the confidence to invade Poland.
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On September 1, 1939 Hitler ordered his troops into Poland.
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On September 17 the Soviet troops moved in and took control of most of the areas of eastern Poland having significant Ukrainian and Belarusian populations under the terms of the German-Soviet agreement.
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After Germany invaded the Soviet Union in June 1941, Poland was completely occupied by German troops.
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The first casualty of that declaration was not German—but the British ocean liner Athenia, which was sunk by a German U-30 submarine that had assumed the liner was armed and belligerent. There were more than 1,100 passengers on board, 112 of whom lost their lives. Of those, 28 were Americans, but President Roosevelt was unfazed by the tragedy, declaring that no one was to “thoughtlessly or falsely talk of America sending its armies to European fields.” The United States would remain neutral.
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I like your perception. I totally agree with satx's comments.

jorgeI, we may or may not agree on some of these posts, but what you posted last..............................



is right on.

Thanks, but I forgot to add and this is for the benefit of the KOTY, the main reason the likes of I.G> Farben and Bayer's prosecution had something to do w a "product" called Zylon B...

I can’t see how it is contradictory to dislike both Nazis and Jews.

I can’t see how it should be illegal to express both of those dislikes.

And the facts I keep trying to emphasize and aren't getting much traction, is, what "race" are these bankers, corporate heads and owners? With the exception of Henry Ford and Prescott Bush, most of the rest are Jewish. Once again, they get a "get out of jail free" card. They pulled the strings, led the people murdering Russians, leading and financing the autrosities in Germany and yet again, nobody cares. This is the very core of the issue. Very frustrating to me.

The U.S. began sending arms to France and England 2 months after England declared war on Germany.

Nov 3, 1939
Congress Lifts Aid Embargo

Congress grants President Franklin D. Roosevelt's request to revise neutrality laws, to repeal an arms embargo so that munitions could be sold to Britain and France, and to prevent American ships from sailing into war zones.

I'm thinking Art Jones probaby shouldn't be found in Germany either.

http://artjonesforcongressman.com/holocaust/

You are still wrong. Germany declared war on the US in 1941. Minds and consciences don't win wars..

Lots of things did happen, but you will need to define your terms. Jews and others were indeed rounded up and placed in camps against their will (We did the same to those of Japanese descent, here in the US). Near the end of the war, as supply lines were cut off by allied bombing, supplies grew short, to include supplies of the pesticide (Zyklon B) used to control head lice (necessary to prevent the spread of typhus) in the camps, resulting in massive numbers of infected, causing emaciation and death in large numbers of inmates. One of the major problems for the Allies when they liberated these camps was, in fact, dealing with the emaciated survivors, treating them for typhus, and preventing its further spread.

This is not, however, what received-tradition refers to as The Holocaust. The Holocaust refers to a program put in place by the National Socialist regime for the purpose of exterminating the Jewish people. Best I can determine, this was mere Soviet war propaganda during the conflict. After the war, the Soviets hastily revamped buildings to resemble crude gas chambers (completely inoperable as such, though), and offered them as proof that their war propaganda had been true all along. Since this narrative served the purposes of the Western allies after the war also, it was adopted as justification for measures they had already determined to take against defeated Germany.

Me too, and me either.

That's what you and Hitler say. I just said England and France declared war on Germany after Germany invaded Poland. Which is true. Not much of what Hitler said or did was true or honest and all geared toward what transpired over the next 5-6 years. Including the Holocaust.

I said that England and France declared war on Germany and that Germany declared war on America after America started sending military aid to England and France.

That's fact.

I'm not wrong.

You have been shot down so many times on every thing you have stated about the Holocaust...
Proof of some of the German built Gas chambers is just one good example.
As usual, you refuse to respond...