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Good. And thanks.

No, I haven't killed much at 600. But that's not the point. This isn't a pissing contest. I've shot lots at 600 and beyond. One of the scopes I use is Nikon Buckmaster 2 4-12x40, which is perfectly adequate for 600 yd shots. I know. Do you? Put away your dick. I also hunt in places where my long shots involve cross-canyon shooting, which is completely different than shooting across flatish ground when it comes to wind reading. Again, put away your dick. I don't want to see it and I don't care how far you, or your buddies, can piss.

I forgot to add bipods and shooting sticks to the list.

And all of this ire just because I had the audacity to select which of your recommendations I would accept. My, my, my.

Ire?

Hardly.

No one here is mad at you.... we’re actally all laughing at you.

We see 20 dudes like you a year..... asking questions.... then telling us all we don’t know schitt.

You should shoot Trystan a PM.... he was where you’re at a year or so ago.... now he’s killin’ it at 1000 yards plus.

HA!

Where have I told anyone that they don't know what they are talking about? On the contrary, I've assumed that you all know your business unless I discover otherwise. I've invited you to sell me on your bullet preference opinions. But as I said, the truth about my rigs will be revealed on paper or in my freezers after I put the right bullets through them. I'm content to let that play out. My interest in this thread is in eliminating bullets from the list of things I could blame for poor ballistic and terminal performance. There seems to be a trendiness factor in bullet selection. What's in favor one year doesn't stop performing well, but some other bullet like the ELD or the Edge TLR might suddenly be the new preference. And it's perfectly fine if you laugh at me, but insulting seems much more like the behavior of someone who is just pissed off because they aren't getting their way or being treated the way feel entitled to. It's a kind of control freak behavior that I just don't understand.

Matters not how many respond here, this post is the best one. At 600, the factory twist rate is well within the sweet spot.

I didn't read all 9 pages even though I posted a bit. I'd take the swede, mount up a 6x swfa scope with milquad reticle, buy some 140 vld berger bullets and some RL26.

Of the components you list in your shooting systems, your optics are the weak link and WILL limit you in attaining your goals. At the ranges you are discussing, the bullet will have minimal effect on getting hits. So, while there are lots of great long range hunting bullets out there, you will be wasting their potential without a decent scope and mounting system. None of the rifles you mentioned would be my first choice, but will work for what you are describing, providing your optics are up to the task.

If you are on a budget, consider flipping one of your current scopes and buy an SWFA Super Sniper 6x or 10x and a bulletproof mounting system. The scope is only $300 but it will track correctly and retain zero and return to zero reliably. Without those qualities, you are wasting your time. With those qualities, up to 400 yards with any decent hunting bullet, you will be pinging targets so routinely it will be boring. The mounting system need not break the bank either. Burris XTB bases with SWFA rings will be rock solid reliable and not terribly expensive.

Once you get to about 600 yards and past, bullets become more important. Provided your range to target is known, trajectory is easy. Wind, on the other hand is much less certain and you’ll want all the help you can get from a projectile. But, without optics that are up to the task, you’ll be wasting allot of those bullets.

https://swfa.com/swfa-ss-6x42-tactical-30mm-riflescope-105767.html

https://swfa.com/swfa-ss-10x42-tactical-30mm-riflescope-3.html

https://swfa.com/swfa-ss-tac-30mm---1-rings-97259.html

https://www.burrisoptics.com/mounting-systems/mounts-and-bases/xtreme-tactical-bases

John

Shoot what you got, out to 400, now. Don't waste time thinking, debating, or planning what to do next. And don't plan for a solid "maybe".

Once you've shot at 300 - 400 extensively, learned what works and what doesn't, come back with targeted questions. Right now, you're just wasting everyone's time. Get to shooting.

If you had read, you would know that I've been shooting out to 300 and that 400 will happen when I've had sufficient good weather and time to move my blind there (I prefer some shelter when temps are below 20). I've been hitting an 8" gong consistently at 300 with loads already developed, including predator loads that I would never consider shooting at deer (unless I was starving which I am a long way from).

Good. You're on your way. But you can get away with murder at 300, that won't fly at 400 and 500.

How about just forget the blind, and start shooting at 400 right now? Don't wait for the weather.

Because without the blind, I've got no stable rest and I would sometimes be getting snowed upon. I tried resting the gun on plastic barrels, but that's not stable enough. The obvious solution would be to set a table and chair in the bed of my pickup, but it's illegal to shoot from a vehicle or even a trailer connected to a vehicle here. It's illegal to even lean a loaded gun against a vehicle here. We have too much government.

I should be able to move it next month. Maybe sooner.

True that!

For many folks, first round hits on 8” plates at 300 in most conditions is about 7-9/10 maybe a touch better. Making first round hits on an 8” plate.... hell, even a 12” plate, at 600.... for most folks is a coin-flip at best.

I hear what you're saying. I prefer umbrella girls, when it's hot outside. Best to hunker down and wait until the weather gets better. Check back in with us in April, or May?

Umbrellas have a ping pong ball BC..... palm fronds is where ya wanna be. Hint.

Yep. And my iced tea in cup made from a coconut.

FOMIH should consult with Trystan. They'd probably get along well.

Brothers maybe........

Is somebody holding a gun to your head and requiring you to read?

I don't know about the rest of these guys but I keep checking in to see if Huntsman bought that Fieldcraft yet........